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Hi how does the Gold monster 1000 perform in western australia? I heard its very hot ground.

There is a change in US nickel target ID from 25/26 to 23 if ground balance is changed from 0 to around 40 and above using the Legend in any of its Multi frequency modes. This appears to be a 1.08 update only issue. I don’t ever remember seeing this in 1.05 (never used 1.06 or 1.07) It also can happen on similar conductive targets that have target IDs around the nickel range. I have not been able to duplicate this on higher conductive targets or much lower ones like small gold. 40 kHz single frequency does slightly up average most targets by one target ID segment compared to 10, 15, and 20 kHz no matter what the ground balance setting is. I have updated to 1.08 and have done a User Profile full factory default reset. This change in nickel target IDs is slight (just 2 digits) but shouldn’t be happening in my opinion. If you want to test your 1.08 Legend just take a US nickel which normally has an air test target ID of 25/26 and first sweep it in Park or Field Multi 1, 2 or 3 with ground balance set on 0. Change the ground balance to at least 40 or higher and you may see the nickel ID change to a steady 23……. This anomaly was first noticed by History Teacher whose YouTube channel is Southern Relics.

Hello. In my area, I don't have salt, magnetite, or any other type of mineralized ground. But, I still like to learn about all aspects of metal defecting and ground conditions. So, here is my question with some preamble: Those that I know that have highly mineralized ground, aren't anywhere near maxing out the recovery speed. Yet, a You Tuber that I occasionally watch, claims that because of the mineralization in his ground, he has to run maximum recovery speed, or he loses depth. This is seemingly despite the fact that maximum recovery speed suffers a great deal of depth loss. Does he have some sort of unique mineralization in which that can be true?

Seems like everyone will never ground balance in the videos. My hot soil will actually get rid of small iron during the GB process. I have also noticed on many videos that ground mineral noise is mistaken for actual iron targets. Just some thoughts. What say you.

I've been looking at the Ground Suppression option we now have in version 1.10. If I read it correctly this helps stabilizing the detector on highly mineralized soil, right? Now my question is, how do I know I have highly mineralised soil? I hunt on arable farmland here in Belgium and this soil has been farmed for a long long time (oldest reference I found is 1750 but even then it was already farmed for centuries) and in the last 100 years a lot of fertilizer has been used. I wonder if this can result in mineralized soil? What is mineralized soil?

Hello MD's out there, Gonna pick up my old childhood hobby of metal detecting and thinking of ordering a Nox 800. Apart from beaches and fields I wanna be able to do stony hills and mountain cracks etc in search of some bronze age treasures in northern Scandinavia. A relative who passed away recently was an archeologist and left behind his own made maps and tons of notes, some of these areas are everything else but flat and soft fields. Do you guys think it would pick up signals of bronze and gold through chunks/stony ground? Or can I just forget about it? What would you use with a budget of approx 1k usd/euro? Also, been watching tons of videos on youtube of depth of finding coins, Im more interested in what size the object must be to find it 50cm or even 100cm deep? Would the nox 800 find something the size of a butchers knife or a sword at 50-100cm/20-40 inches depth through sand/mud/stony ground? 🤔 Best Regards, Mike

Are there base programs and/or settings that are considered better for wet mild soil for general detecting?

People often mention that their soil is either "Hot" or "Mild". What GB numbers does one consider 'Hot" and conversely what numbers indicate 'Mild" soil?

Only had my D2 for about 2 weeks after swinging the D1 for about 7 years. Today I was out testing settings on a country lot (in western AR) that had a house back in the early 1900s, aerials show it was not standing in 1957. A few Wheats and a IH have been found along, a very ornate broach and a bridle buckle that may be CW vintage. I wasn't getting many good signals after an hour and a half and had only been digging junk. I got to wondering about what depth I was getting with the different custom programs I had set up so I buried a clad Dime about 10 inches deep. None of my custom programs would give a response. I was using the Silver Slayer, a modified Park. DHC 6.8, a DHC notched to 40 and a couple of others. All with Silencer at 1, Iron at 1 or 0, Sensitvity in the high 90s Reactivity .5 to 1. The ground grab was consistently at 78. I was very baffled by this so I thought what other setting could I adjust. It then dawned on me that I had never adjusted Ground Stability. So I went from 2 down to 1. The Silver Slayer program rang out loud and clear. The DHC got it but not as cleanly, Relic barely, and a modified Park not at all. The ID was down in the 50s which concerned me, no adjustment to the notching brought it back into the 80s or above. When notching the DHC to 80 it disappeared completely. I decided to dig it up and try a shallower depth to try to learn more. When I pulled the plug and got the MI-6 out I discovered that there were two old nails in the hole. I reburied the Dime about 5" deep and it rang up in the low 90s. Once again, the SS program rang out the best of my custom programs considering my settings. At that point I called it a day. Makes me wonder wonder what i missed with Ground Stability at the default of 2. Any thought about this experience would be appreciated?

The number 60 will appear if you place your coil flat on the ground. This could be the cause of an issue stating the Legend, when you scrub the ground has problems detecting objects but when you provide an air gap it may pick up the object. AKA, when using the deep mode must have an air gap to work properly. The D2 also must have an air gap using the relic program. Please try this and let me know if your Legend reads 60 when you place the coil flat on the ground. Just a thought. Thanks

I was offered this tidbit from the engineers at Garrett while discussing another subject. How to determine EMI versus ground noise using the stationary noise test. "The stationary noise test is where the coil is held totally stationary, either in the air or more typically on clean ground, and then listen for noise. If the noise persists while stationary, then it’s EMI and not ground noise. If the noise disappears while stationary and then reappears only when moving the coil, then it’s ground noise and not EMI. This is an excellent test for any operator to help determine if noise/instability is caused by ground or EMI." If the problem is EMI then of course you would want to try a ground cancel. All ground cancel does is scan all available channels for the quietest ones. It picks the five quietest, and then double checks those five, and settles on the best one. This checking and double checking takes a bit of time so be patient. The key is to not do anything to add noise when doing a ground cancel. Getting your pick too near, or waving the detector around, anything else that adds noise, will cause the channels being checked when that noise occurs to be rejected. Since the EMI cancel looks for and attempts to eliminate noise sources, you may want to purposefully aim the coil at a nearby EMI source or detectorist in an attempt to knock out the specific noise source. If you use a pinpointer, turn it on and place 2-3 feet from the detector while doing the EMI cancel, to tune it out for use when detecting. If all channels are noisy, you need to do something about it. Changing coils is one of the best solutions. Small coils handle EMI better than large coils, and DD coils handle EMI better than mono coils. Reducing the sensitivity helps. Trying other modes will possibly help. In my experience the Axiom handles EMI better than most PI detectors but it is still a high gain detector and that means some area will be problematic. Just the nature of the beast I am afraid, but again, Axiom is a step up in that department. If it is actually ground noise, some of the solutions may seem similar. See these threads for the details. Most important of course is getting a proper ground balace. See the video below for that. Axiom Sensitivity - A Must Read For All New Owners! Axiom Detection Modes Explained Axiom DD Coils - A Must Read For All New Owners!

whats your prefered mode of GB ??ts a bit of a dark art .....tracking pumping or manual? i usually go with t racking or pumping or sometimes leave it on auto depending on the soil type dont know about d2s gb yet

I've looked through the manual and did a few searches here but came up blank. Does the 800 have a Ground Phase Readout? Thanks!

Hopefully I put this topic in the right place. This is always a good topic for discussion and has been discussed many times in past. Everyone always has great input and people really do extensive testing on the subject. So it is nice to hear everyone’s thoughts on recent testing techniques/thoughts. Funny this started on another thread, but it needs it’s dedicated place to not take away from the other threads main topic. Actually I was working on a PM then went back to the thread and said wow here come the responses oops should have started this thread first. Someone did mention BASELINE — I agree that sums it up in my opinion, but I do get tunnel vision at times. Don’t we all. I am not a 100 percent on air test as there are many variables in the real world/environment and most notably I do not detect coins/targets in air. This is just my thought process. Although in past I have done a bunch for curiosity. The data though is extremely valuable and worthy of documenting. I applaud/thankful to everyone that provides the information and truly think it helps people understand what a coil can possibly do. Notice I said possible. That real world thing can throw us all for a loop at times. My thing is get the coil/detectors out in the field on unknown targets that are in the ground and see if the different machines can pick up the target in that type of condition with its best settings. Of course it is never apples to apples, but we try. Like when the Karate Kid said ‘when do we get to break boards and he said boards don’t hit back’ well air doesn’t hit back like the ground. Had to poke a lil sick fun. Would like to hear everyone’s thoughts/opinions on what they think a proper air test is and what they are trying to get at vs what’s in the ground testing. Be respectful all points should be well taken. A little debate is good. Know a lot of people put a bunch of time into the testing, so it is great to see a transfer of knowledge. Note I have been offline for awhile dealing with health issues, so I am playing catch up on my readings. I have seen some neat testing setups since I jumped back online while playing catch up. Some are very elaborate in design it’s great seeing this. Gary — ‘The Pulse is Strong with this one”

Most of the sites I hunt have very mild ground. I typically leave my GB at 0 most of the time. When I do take the time to Ground Balance, I usually get single digits with occasional numbers in the teens. Do the GB numbers reflect the levels of mineralization in the soil? Do soils with high mineralization have higher numbers? The manual says nothing about it.

Given that Vanquish has been described as a simplified Nox, and that its settings (fixed or somewhat adjustable) can be approximately related to those on the Nox (e.g. the overall mode probably similar to Beach 1, high iron balance likely about 8, three different recovery speeds within recovery speed range on the Nox - but I'm not sure where), could someone comment on what ground balance mode on the Nox resembles what the Vanquish may have been set to do in this department?

There is a creek nearby to me that is gold bearing, in fact it's the first place I found nuggets with a detector finding over 2 grams with 6 nuggets on my first venture up the creek. the creek is on a mountainside and it's a public fossicking area which means anyone can go and detect or sluice in it, its set aside by the government for public use. This means it's been done by many people but people miss gold, and new gold gets washed down it during flooding events. The problem I've always had with the creek is the bottom surface of it especially the bedrock is difficult for detectors, they have trouble ground balancing on it, the GM1000 reacts quite badly to it and the many hot rocks in the creek so you spend your day looking at it's screen and gold probability meter trying to work out if one of the thousands of signal you've got are likely to be a bit of gold. The Equinox wasn't much better in all metal it was going off all the time with -8 and -9 and random jumps up to 12 and 13 on the VDI's and you couldn't ground balance it away. The other problem was the GM struggled with it's slow ground tracking and going in and out of the shallow water detecting the creek kept throwing it out and when the coil transitioned from the air to the water the GM screamed, this made it very difficult to detect very shallow water with a rocky bottom as the coil kept having to go in and out of the water. The Nox was a bit better for this and did react going in and out of the water but not near as badly as the GM1000. It is a shame I don't have video of the GM and Nox behaviour in this creek but I'll get some next time I'm nearby and add it to this thread so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about. The Garrett 24k really surprised me, it was able to ground balance out the bedrock easily, it didn't hardly respond at all to any of the hot rocks in the creek once it was balanced, there was only a couple of types of hot rocks that would set it off, I was utterly surprised how well it worked. It made a small transition noise when it went from air to water similar to the other detectors, but nowhere near as severe as the Gold Monster and it wasn't at all distracting and handled the shallow water transitions perfectly fine, it wasn't a problem at all. I love the 24k's ability to lock the ground balance, this is something the Gold Monster is missing and it's something that's just so vital in a situation like at this creek. It's something the Monster would really benefit from having. This was the same creek a couple of years ago I found a very old Chinese coin I suspected a Gold Miner lost, the coin is far older than the habitation of NZ though so it was likely something he/she wore around their neck on a string and it broke. This is the Chinese coin, unfortunately it was broken, I suspect this is why it was lost. It was found under a small waterfall. Now, back to the 24k, I was so happy with it's performance but unfortunately I didn't find any gold on the day, the creek is very wild and it was too difficult to get far up it due to trees falling down over the creek and when the slope increases it's difficult to bypass the creek by going up the sides as they get very steep, so I was limited to detecting the very lower area of the creek which is the bit that's detected the most due to easier access. I'm going to have to work out a way to get higher up the creek without following the creek up but it's very dense steep forest either side of it. This is the lower end of the creek where I was able to detect before it gets steep. And the video if it working well, I was so pleased as the 24k is going to open up opportunities, this is probably why Nugget Hunter NZ who found the massive nugget in a creek a few years ago on the West Coast of NZ raved out the Whites 24k, as I'd imagine the creeks he was detecting had similar bedrock and hot rocks to this creek. Having absolutely no bump sensitivity with the 24k coils is a massive bonus detecting a creek like this, both the Equinox and the Gold Monster have bump sensitivity, the 24k I'm running with the sensitivity maxed out and nothing, no bump sensitivity at all, fantastic.

Part 1 My first attempt of a video, please excuse the sound on part 2, not sure why its cutting out. These examples are for the hottest ground. The Equinox works great at target separation in low mineralized ground.

In a recent thread regarding the soon-to-be-released (🤞) XP Deus 2, the value of the ML Eqinonox's adjustable ground setting (whether manual or automatic) was brought up. (That was initiated by an XP video showing that multifrequency detector's ground balancing procedure.) When the Equinox was released 3 1/2 years ago I specifically asked if the default setting of 0 had some special value, such as putting the detector into a custom balancing routine. My recollection is that I was told 'no'. My interpretation at that time resulted in the conclusion that 0 is just slightly different than its neighbors -1 and +1 as part of a m/l continuum of ground settings. It's my understanding that multifrequency capability facilitates contrasting the ground signals from different frequencies to improve performance. But does that render user ground balancing unnecessary/superfulous? When I operate the Equinox it tells me when I'm out of balance, by making extraneous noise as my coil changes its height above the ground. This is with the ground balance setting non-zero based upon previous (maybe one or more hunts ago!) settings. I've never then reverted to Ground Balance = 0 to quiet it down but rather just do an automatic balance procedure (what many refer to as a "Ground Grab", wouldn't it be nice if every manufacturer resorted to this meaningful description & labeling!) to quiet the detector down. My ground is moderate (2-3 bars on the Fisher Gold Bug Pro and also on the Fisher F75 which I think has a bit different scale). Many detectorists have much more severe Fe3O4 content in their ground. I'm wondering if those of you with different ground situations than mine have compared GB = 0 to custom GB settings. Did you find one better than the other?

Hi ya'll... I have a White's MX7, and noticed when the ground is really dry my signals are all over the place. I use the six shooter coil, because at the moment the only place I have to detect is at my house, which is eat up with iron. I'll get a hit, and it shows, penny/iron/dime/copper/iron...stuff like that. I do the wiggle, and circle the spot and eventually it will show iron, which is most things I find. I tried a couple different settings yesterday without any change. I only have the sensitivity at 4, because of so much iron trash, and run the coin /jewelry program. Anyone have any tips that might help?

Good morning guys! I would need to understand if the behavior of my Legend is normal or if I need to go to service. Basically when I balance the instrument on the ground, the screen value tends to decrease until it reaches 0. Quite simply, maybe I'm looking in an area, terrain value 55, as I move (and I've noticed almost always on tilled/plowed terrain) and maybe I rebalance because the machine starts to be "noisy," with each pumping the value drops and reaches 0; it seems strange to me because often maybe from one area to another there are 50 meters and by now it's 4/5 times that it happens to me. Could it be that I find all soils with almost no mineralization and therefore the instrument cannot read it? Or am I doing something wrong? I would like to point out that if I switch the Legend to tracking mode, then it can read the value after a few minutes that I search. Thank you

Does the vanquish have any sort or ground balancing feature? Even if it is multi frequency, without ground balance, how is it going to compare to the simplex for example?

Each time I try and ground balance my 6000 there is no detectable change. While holding the GB button I pump the coil then move it side to side. It’s like it don’t work. I friend of mine says his does not either. What am I missing? I run in manual mode with the threshold on. The noise cancel works very well.

Hello everyone, maybe some information about orientation in minelab equinox 800, I searched a lot, but I can't find such information. I am looking for information on minelab equinox 800 in the ground balance how we can orient ourselves in the numbers for setting the ground in the ground balance, on the equinox 800 the numbers are from - 9 to +100 how to find out how much our land is ore. On some brands of metal detectors soil balance is from 0 to 100 and 100 is the most degraded land ?

I got out for a short hunt this evening in spite of the heat. I wanted to check the new Iron filter settings, audio gain & Mineralization meter on one of my red dirt relic sites, 4 bars on the new meter. Not sure what that value is. I hope NM will publish a detailed chart, something specific like Fisher does for the F75. It is very dry down past 12 inches so the nails & small iron this site is loaded with were very well behaved. No real falsing even at an Iron filter of 1.1 so that is how I hunted. Small & big iron still very identifiable. What I did notice is that the Ground tracking feature is not working properly. This site, like most of my red dirt sites has ground that varies 8-12 points over fairly short distances. I have often used the Ground tracking on The Legend before with V1.06 and it worked quite well, Now, with 1.08, you can get a very precise Auto Ground Balance & it will hold that value as it should. If you engage the Auto Tracking function the GB value will almost immediately start counting down to zero in increments of 6. It does this if the coil is held stationary in the air or swept in a normal fashion over the ground. If you re- ground balance it will grab the value again and then start counting down to zero. I will try to install V1.09 since it related to GB in some degree. Has anyone else noticed this behavior with V1.08. V1.09?