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  1. 13 points
    I hate to distract us from the spirited discussion of ZED aftermarket coils and new gold detectors, but I've been working on a plan to spend a few months downunder detecting WA. I sold some gold to finance the operation and convinced my Baja detecting partner we need to get us some Aussie gold. Just so you know I'm not a idiot and going off half cocked here, I purchased the premium edition of Nurse Paul's primer "Yank's guide to plundering Aussie Gold". Some very helpful information..."when handling sharp digging tools, always wear flip flops". Or the timeless, "When drinking a few cold ones with the locals, the acceptable ratio is 3 to 1. Buy 1, drink 3, it makes them feel superior." What could possible go wrong with that kind of wisdom at my disposal? Yeah I know, $16,000 worth of detectors got stolen while he slept on watch, but that could have happened to anyone. He's matured alot since then. Seriously though, we leave May 19 and don't expect to return until my 90 day visa expires. Paul has in fact helped me get a handle on the geography, Ute selection and basic gear requirements. We'll be boondocking it, living on road kill and brown snakes with a case of Vegimite for emergencies. I've already purchased one of the new X-coils 17" for the Zed which will be waiting for me when I arrive. I had a sacrificial coil cable for the jumper connection since I destroyed the original 14" stock coil, long story, but apparently you're not supposed to drag that coil behind the Rokon at cruising speed down desert dirt roads for a couple miles. Who knew they were so fragile? Wore right through the plastic housing and exposed the copper windings, bummer. But, I've got me a $900.00 Minelab chipped coil cable so the glass is half full. Nevertheless, an adventure is at hand. I'll post updates and photos as opportunities present.
  2. 13 points
    Forget chips in cables. Everybody please remove chips from shoulders now, retreat to respective corners right now, and take several very deep breaths before posting again. We had one guy join with the express purpose of joining the fray and so he was shown the door. Responses to him were also deleted so the discussion is a bit disjointed. It is good to know where people are coming from on stuff but questioning people’s motives is dangerous ground on this forum. Everyone playing with the new toys can sound like a salesperson. Salespeople are not banned here anyway. Number one clue not to hit the post button? If you are posting about another person’s behavior instead of a detector.... think twice. It all stops now. Just assume everyone is biased, take your grains of salt, and get over it. I am sure the discerning adults here can decide who they want to listen to or not all on their own without a bunch of cross talk.
  3. 10 points
    Thursday after work Mrs JW had the caravan all packed & ready to go. So after a shower & change of clothes for me we were off. Didn't get to our destination until after dark. Got all set up & chilled out. Even chilled out in the morning as awoke to frost & a heavy fog. So no rush to get up the hill detecting. The day became a stunner & this pic below was taken when we came down for a late lunch & a chill out. The first spot I headed to was where I got those 12 bits the previous weekend. I had stuck with the 15 X 14 X coil due to the open & deep ground. going over this again & very thoroughly I didn't get another bean. So moved on to other old areas. Mrs JW doing what she does now when she tags along. Sits in her camp chair reading her girly mag & doing the cross word. Tried the clay gravels of an old timers dam Brest. I had got gold off here previously but nothing on the last few attempts with the Zed. Humpdey dumptey sat on the wall.... Got three little pieces in the foreground just below the thyme bushes in the above pic. First shallow scrape. Bingo Easter Fridays effort. 7 small bits for the 15 X 14 X coil Saturday we decided to head off & go check out the New Zealand Jet boat Sprint Champion finals. On getting there it was raining & windy so we turned around & headed back & I got a few hours detecting in. Stuck with the 15 X 14. Didn't take any pics of the digs but managed 4 little pieces. I went to top up my detector battery that night but had the wrong 12 volt plug for the charger. I had grabbed the Gold monster one & it wasn't compatible. Strangely enough it charged the WM12 but not the detector battery. Any way, sunday came around & I said to Mrs JW that I would just go until the battery went flat. First signal Tiny bit of quartz with even tinier gold in it. Just targeting the bald areas as much as possible. Although I did go over the grass areas. A fly spec size bit of gold. Literally And another End result for the weekend. Top row Fridays, middle row saturdays & bottom row sundays. I was pretty chuffed getting those small size bits with that 15 X 14 inch coil. The detector battery died sunday so monday we headed back home after getting a bowl of wild mushrooms. Yum. Didn't try any of the other of the X coils. I just couldnt take the 15 X 14 off. For ever hoping for a bigger deeper one. Didnt come. Maybe next time. Cheers. Best of luck out there JW 🤠
  4. 10 points
    Steve makes a very valid point and I tinge red with a lot of shame in my part of proceedings. Egos can be detrimental to good discussion but alas for me are hard to weed out from passion. I for one apologise for my aggressive reactions to being prodded and would like to also offer my apologies to the Kiwijw for disrupting his thread. I could put more effort into the way I word things to help prevent corrosive responses from others, something I’m not good at when I feel my integrity is being questioned. With regards to the coils, obviously there is more going on behind the scenes that is publicly shown. I stand by my comments on the coils and my impressions of them, this information has been passed on to the manufacturer and any future use of them will also be passed on regardless of the politics. To my mind a person going to the extremes of cutting off the end of a very expensive coil to circumvent counterfeiting so they can use a coil made by someone other than the manufacturer should be made aware of the potential pitfalls and should also have access to as much information as possible. Persons using these coils should look at them as experimental not as genuine replacements, the genuine coils will work just about anywhere in the world, the experimental coils will behave negatively in a lot of areas, just like not all areas are conducive to using Normal Ground Type mode on the GPZ. How they behave depends on the ground you work, if it is Saturable, Salty and has high X, in single or combination of these three things then the coils will not behave as nicely as the Genuine ML coils. Remember NOISE is the bane of any metal detector, if there is unnecessary noise that noise will compete with Edge of Detection target signals degrading performance. You cannot look at the GPZ in the same light as a GPX with an aftermarket Monoloop coil attached, the coils on the GPZ are incredibly complex and difficult to make, hence the expense for the X coils. I feel the Russian manufacturer has done a pretty good job of the coils so far, his attitude is they are for professional users who want to ramp up their opportunities through lightness of weight, size and shape variety. His Spiral wound coil does provide a brighter signal response but comes at a cost in saturation and salt signal. In Quiet soils they should be OK assuming there are minimal amounts of the nasty TRIO present. JP
  5. 6 points
    Contemplating such an adventure without local Aussie support would have been far too ambitious, even for me. Paul's experiences having been helped along by Norvic, the GoldHounds and now Trent have given us a path and a certain confidence that if everything goes to "sheet", we have distant forum friends to turn for help and guidance. Finding gold is really just the catalyst and an arbitrary goal to justify this pioneer spirit and lust for adventure. My sincere thanks in advance to all our Aussie friends from this forum and especially to Trent for helping make this adventure of a lifetime possible. Also an acknowledgement to our Moderator for making and keeping this forum a place of knowledge, friendship and civil discourse. OK, dry your eyes and harden up out there. I got 19 days to kill before wheels up. Paul leaves in less than a week but he got the sniffles and thinks he dying of pneumonia. I think he allowed his blood alcohol level to drop too low and the germs found a foothold.
  6. 5 points
    What in the world is a flip flop, sounds like something I do when detecting on a hillside and my Croc gives way and I take a tumble. You're going to have to fix that up before you get there, it's thongs! they'll look at you all weird if you say flip flops, you might even get a good beating. A funny nice light-hearted post after the heated discussions on the x-coils though 🙂 I look forward to hearing about your adventure.
  7. 4 points
    Wow, I am very excited for you Steve and I admit a little jealous. I am sure it will be quite an adventure and I hope you find a pile of gold!! Seems like half the forum members here are headed to Australia this year. I am proud the forum has been able to facilitate some connections made around the world. It does not get any better than that! 👍
  8. 3 points
    What settings did you use for detecting the fly?
  9. 3 points
    That would be telling if the X coils for the Xs give the Xs the boost the X coil does for the Z. The Xs and the many coils available for them are mature products, wheras the Z and its coils are early in their development. What the 15 X coil has done for me is illustrate that ZVT is certainly early in its development, likened to the SD days for the PI even maybe, although I doubt it will bring about such a rejuvenation of old patches PIs did. But it is in the search of virgin patches where ZVT might prove to be its strength. Exciting times ahead for us users and this thread has illustrated we the user finding gold is what it is all about, even though we get a wee bit passionate about it, but this thread is about KiwiJWs take on aftermarket coils and as a private individual just giving his take freely for no gain, this does not encourage early adoptees to come forward. I bow out of this thread and trust all 4M members appreciate KiwiJWs take.
  10. 3 points
    I'm sure JP can and will stand up for himself but JP has stated many times re: issues with design, ergonomics and price re: Minelab machines. But he also endorses and sells a range of Minelab products here in Australia because they work so bloody well! For a moment try and imagine if Minelab never existed. I am sure there would be many tens of thousands of ounces still in the ground in Australia and lord knows how much around the world. JP has been fairly upfront with the fact that he has tested the X coils and that they do find gold. He didn't have to tell us that. So what if Minelab made him a patch lead (wherever that info came from). That is purely the prerogative of Minelab. Maybe they have been in contact with the X coils mob and were happy to get JP's thoughts about them. Who knows? But Minelab have every right to do what they wish with their product. It is a great forum and a place where, even though there is robust debate, there is a general respect for other members and especially those that freely pass on their knowledge that has been hard earned. JP, Reg Wilson, JR, Norvic, KiwiJW - they don't always agree (actually frequently disagree 😉) with each other but the knowledge imparted to their fellow forum members is gold itself 👍
  11. 3 points
    Don’t worry Condor we will look after you, I have already set up a bar tab for you, you currently owe 3 cartons. Paul almost done a similar trick to his zed , first 5 minutes of meeting him he pulled his zed out and stuck it on the roof of the car with 1 rotten old strap holding it 🙄. Swapped an ounce of gold for your prospecting vehicle today, when I transferred the registration they asked if we were taking it interstate, I just laughed ‘she wouldn’t make it that far’ so I got a discount and added another carton to your bill 👍🍻
  12. 3 points
    For what it's worth on this post JW is about to do with his 10x9 coil I covered the same ground that day, I used the Equinox and 6" first and then my GPX4500 with 14x9 EVO and was skunked. I was running gain of 14 in sensitive extra. The GPX was purring along nicely, there was no interference anywhere like power lines as we were remote from civilization on a mountain range so I was enjoying using the GPX but I got no gold, and virtually no junk... The place was covered in dig holes so people have been there many times before. JW blew me away with how much he got when I got nothing. He got one of them right in front of me on a spot I 100% know I went over. Anyone who thinks the stock 14" coil will get all the gold the Russian coils are getting is kidding themselves, it's no different with any detector, try a different coil and you get different results. The Europeans including the Russians seem to be good at making coils, some of the best aftermarket coils come from that neck of the woods.
  13. 2 points
    Puttering around in the park and came across this.
  14. 2 points
    Which metal detectors have the most reliable target ID numbers? Target ID is a function of depth - the deeper the target, the more difficult it is to get a clean target ID as the ground signal interferes. Other items directly adjacent to the desired target can also cause inaccurate numbers. The more conductive the item, the higher the resulting ID number, but also the larger the item the higher the number. Silver is more conductive than gold, so a gold item will give a lower number than the same size silver item. But a very large gold item can give a higher number than a small silver item, so numbers do not identify types of metal. Gold and aluminum read the same and vary in size so to dig one you dig the other. Only mass produced items like coins produce numbers that are more or less the same over the years but a zinc penny will read lower than a copper penny due to the change in composition. In general iron or ferrous targets produce negative numbers or low numbers. Aluminum, gold, and US nickels produce mid-range numbers. And most other US coins produce high numbers. Other countries coins, like Canadian coins with ferrous content, can read all over the place. The scale applied varies according to manufacturer so the number produced by each detector will vary according to the scale used. The 0-100 range for non-ferrous targets is most common but there are others. Minelab employs a dual number system on a 2D scale with thousands of possible numbers, but they are now normalizing the results produced to conform more closely to the linear scale used by other manufacturers. Increasing ground mineralization has a huge effect on the ability to get a good target ID. Ground mineralization is nearly always from iron mineralization, and this tends to make weak targets, whether very small targets or very deep targets, misidentify. The target numbers get dragged lower, and many non-ferrous targets will eventually be identified as iron if buried deep enough. Small non-ferrous readings and iron readings actually overlap. That is why any discrimination at all is particularly risky for gold nugget hunters. If you want target ID numbers to settle down, lower sensitivity and practice consistent coil control. The target number will often vary depending on how well the target is centered and how fast the coil moves. Higher sensitivity settings lead to jumpier numbers as the detectors become less stable at higher levels. The interference from the ground signal increases and interference from outside electrical sources also increases, leading to less stable numbers. Higher frequency detectors are inherently more sensitive and are jumpier. So lean lower frequency for more solid results. Multi frequency detectors act like low frequency detectors and tend to have more solid target numbers due to the ability to analyze a target with different frequencies. Another issue is the number of target categories, or ID segments, or VDIs, or notches, or bins (all names for the same thing) that a detector offers. For instance here are the number of possible target id categories or segments each detector below offers: Fisher CZ-3D = 7 Garrett Ace 250 = 12 Minelab X-Terra 305 = 12 Minelab X-Terra 505 = 19 Minelab X-Terra 705 = 28 Minelab Equinox = 50 Fisher F75 (and many other models) = 99 White's MXT (and many other models) = 190 Minelab CTX 3030 = 1750 Fewer target categories means more possible items get lumped together under a single reading, but that the reading is more stable. Many detectors will tell you the difference between a dime and a quarter. The Fisher CZ assumes you want to dig both so puts them under one segment along with most other coins. People who use detectors with many target numbers usually just watch the numbers jump around and mentally average the results. Some high end detectors can actually do this averaging for you! But I think there is something to be said for owning a detector that simplifies things and offers less possible numbers to start with. The old Fisher CZ method still appeals to me, especially for coin detecting. So do detectors like the Garrett Ace 250 or Minelab X-Terra 505 for the same reason. The problem is that as people strive to dig deeper targets or smaller targets the numbers will always get less reliable. But if you want to have a quiet performing metal detecting with solid, reliable target numbers look more for coin type detectors running at lower frequencies under 10 kHz or at multiple frequencies and possibly consider getting a detector with fewer possible target segments. And with any detector no matter what just back that sensitivity setting off and you will get more reliable target numbers. ads by Amazon... Detectors often use tones to identify targets and often use far fewer tones than indicated by the possible visual target id numbers. The X-Terra 705 for instance can use 28 tones, one for each segment. However, most people find this too busy, and so simple tone schemes of two, three, or four tones may be selected. I think it is instructive that many people often end up ignoring screen readings and hunting by ear, using just a few tones. This ends up just being an ultra basic target id system much like the simpler units offer. Reality is that most people do not need or care about huge numbers of target numbers. For many just three ranges suffice, low tone for iron, mid tone for most gold items, and high tone for most US coins. The meter could do the same thing, but for marketing purposes more is better and so we get sold on detectors with hundreds of possible target ID numbers. Perhaps this is a digital representation of an old analog meter with its nearly infinite range of response but the reality is we do not need that level of differentiation to make a simple dig or no dig decision. Finally, a picture often says it all. Below we have a shot of the White's M6 meter. I like it because the decal below illustrates a lot. You see the possible numerical range of -95 to 95 laid out in the middle. Over it is the simplified iron/gold/silver range. Note the slants where they overlap to indicate the readings really do overlap. Then you get the probable target icons. -95 is noted as "hot rock" because many do read there. The M6 can generate 7 tones depending on the target category. I have added red lines to the image to show where these tones sit in relation to the scale. It breaks down as follows: -95 = 57 Hz (Very Low) Hot Rock -94 to -6 = 128 Hz (Low) Iron Junk -5 to 7 = 145 Hz (Med Low) Gold Earrings, Chains - Foil 8 to 26 = 182 Hz (Medium) Women's Gold Rings/Nickel - Small Pull Tabs 27 to 49 = 259 Hz (Med Hi) Men's Gold Rings - Large Pull Tabs 50 to 70 = 411 Hz (High) Zinc Penny/Indian Head Penny - Screw Caps 71 to 95 = 900 Hz (Very High) Copper Penny/Dime/Quarter/Dollar Note that the screen reading of +14 is noted as being a nickel or ring but it can also be the "beaver tail" part of an aluminum pull tab or the aluminum ring that holds an eraser on a pencil, among other things. The best book ever written on the subject of discrimination is "Taking A Closer Look At Metal Detector Discrimination" by Robert C. Brockett. It is out of print but if you find a copy grab it, assuming the topic interests you. Always remember - when in doubt, dig it out! Your eyes are the best target ID method available.
  15. 2 points
    This is not uncommon, salt water and electronics don't mix. You can dry them out and they'll start working if you're lucky, but over time corrosion will take place from the salts left behind and any humidity/moisture inside the unit. There is a lot of tiny bits of metal on a circuit board that corrode very easily. The key is never turning on wet electronics, wait until it's very dry before trying. It also helps if they're switched off when they get wet. It's best to dry them out, even putting them in a sealed bag immediately with uncooked rice can help draw the moisture out, then clean the electronics with pure alcohol to get rid of the salts, then wait a day or two and then give it a run. I know this is too late for you now in this case as you've most likely had a short that's damaged a component, but might help next time. We used to bake circuit boards in an oven to melt the solder or re-flow the solder on them with a hot air gun which sometimes helped in these situations, but if you do it wrong you'll make it worse. Unless you dismantle it and can see any signs of damage that you can repair you're all out of luck. Unfortunately lead solders are gone for health and environmental reasons but they were very corrosion resistant, now it's all lead free solder which will be all over your detectors circuit board and corrodes easily. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1645761?tp=&arnumber=1645761&url=http:%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D1645761
  16. 2 points
    Thanks JP, good post! Sorry if it appeared I was prodding you at any point, we are all pretty passionate about detecting and with that can come the occasional hot headed debates, fortunately Steve's here to settle it all down and pull us back in line. 🙂 I don't pretend to understand the technical mumbo jumbo but I know what I see with my own eyes which is what I base my opinions on. We often talk about our very mild soils here and how it makes us be able to run our gear hotter than most so that would also include the X-coils, results obviously vary based on soil type. What we consider bad ground you probably think is a walk in the park. I would be shocked if someone could pull up a shotgun pellet size bit of gold at 15+ cm in OZ soils like JW is doing with the X-coils here, the big booming signal response it gives on those tiny deep bits is crazy. People do need to know it's unlikely they'll get the same results in different places. I'm shocked enough seeing it happen here with the GPZ, I know I can't do it with my GPX. It was reassuring to see Norvic being happy with the coils in the Australian soils around him though.
  17. 2 points
    You didn't mention Simon.... Sure hope that isn't him (or what's left of him) in the pic above Friday's first three finds. You outdid me with the mushrooms (just like you outdo me on gold), but I bet mine tasted better. 😁 As always, thanks for the report with lots of great photos.
  18. 2 points
  19. 2 points
    Paul sez the grammar is no different that he larnt in Tennessee public school, they just have a funny way of sayin thangs.
  20. 2 points
    Mr. Condor ; Would you like to barrow my "How To Speak Australian In 137 Easy Lessons" tapes? They are only One hour and fifteen minutes long each.
  21. 2 points
    Has anyone tried the x-coils developed for the GPX as of yet? And are they available to purchase? I have plenty of ground that I've cleaned up by many coils over many years. I still enjoy using my early model GPX 4500 and would love to get one of these x-coils to go over what I have termed " dead ground." I have found this thread very interesting the business of finding gold can be passionate, new products excite. Perhaps ML and X-Coils can collaborate considering ML reps follow this forum and make a product we the end users can use to find more gold. This is what its all about.
  22. 2 points
    Have a great time, Condor! The Aussies don't worry about things like spiders, ticks and snakes so just remember to keep your stuff off the ground and closed up...or you may get a surprise! ENVY...is my middle name best wishes fred
  23. 2 points
    Yep, it would be ‘interesting’ but I’m not sure that it would be any great advantage (or disadvantage) than your 4500 in actually finding gold. Can run all the same mono coils but the 4500 gives you a bit more flexibility with the DD’s. The advantage is the lighter weight, lower price point, updatable software, good battery set up, etc, etc.
  24. 2 points
    Hey Simon I thought they were Jandals in your language
  25. 2 points
    On ya Condor, WTG. BBs going to have a busy season.
  26. 2 points
    You might be onto something, Hawaiian volcanoes could be riddled with the good stuff.
  27. 2 points
    Minelab is suppose to come out with the MDS-10 soon also I thought... It was trademarked last year. Also they just trademarked in Australia on April 17th something called Super-D, which they currently call their 19" coil for the GPZ, but why trademark now ????
  28. 2 points
    The biggest problem is for every fake detector sold that's less profit the real company gets. The less profit they get the less R&D money they have which in turn means we get less new better products. It could be partly why First Texas is famous for releasing new detectors that are just the same as the previous model with nothing more than a new paint job as they're probably the most cloned manufacturer there is. I am confident there would be more fake than genuine T2's and Gold Bug Pro's in the world than real ones. In a lot of countries including NZ it's easier to buy fakes than real ones, especially when you don't know the fakes are fakes. It's pretty sad.
  29. 2 points
    JW I find this whole discussion very interesting especially when compared to my own experiences with these coils. I’ve tested detectors for a very long time and know the pitfalls in doing comparisons. One of them is letting emotions get in the road of proper testing, especially when you make public reports said tests and then get questioned on your methods. A Super D coil does not fit the typical housing of Mono coils so giving them a specific inch size of say 15 x 14 really does not indicate the actual dimensions of the windings enclosed, in fact in this instance they could easily be the same dimentions, this is what made me laugh because your espousing the merits of a coil that is almost exactly the same size, then getting defensive when your methods are questioned. Your posts now seem more and more like someone trying to sell something than someone actually doing proper testing. I’m sorry to ask the hard questions and I’m sure your very passionate about what you are doing, but no one ever gives me and leeway either when I’m providing feedback on a new product. The next question is even harder, did you actually buy your coils or were you given them to test and perhaps report favourably on them? In response to your comment made about me on another thread https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/9826-the-new-coils-for-the-23-and-7/page/8/#comments When I found I had an opportunity to try one of the coils I asked for a patch lead to be made so I could try them out, this benefited both parties because the feedback I gave helped them to become a better product and at the same time answered a few questions as well. I am very interested however in how you came by such information because only one other person, who was a told in confidence, knew about it? At the end of the day anyone wanting to use these coils has to find a tech and have them made, so to my mind it is irrelevant how I went about it. I am my own person and am not told what to do by anyone, I contract to Minelab for testing and have done so for a very long time, I do not speak for them or always know what they are doing in this sphere. Everyone is curious on this subject, I went and satisfied that curiosity without crossing any major lines on my part because I was upfront with both parties. Sadly the quote above suggests this has not been reciprocated. There were two things that interested me, were they any good as in usable? And was it possible to make approaches to try and aquire the components needed to make an adapter. The main things I see with these coils is the range of sizes and lightness, they are not as good as the ML coils, even the manufacturer will tell you that so don’t think I’m doing a hatchet job on them because I’m not. I did try to put a business model together but alas it seems that has not worked out, the current approach is a nightmare and will hamstring these coils immensely. Lastly, I have found gold with these coils so they do work. In quiet soils they should be OK and seem to have good sensitivity especially the Spiral wound ones. Variable ground gives them grief, they are knock and touch sensitive especially in General Difficult and especially the traditionally wound versions. They will struggle in areas with a lot of X signal (Ferrite signal) and are bad for Saturation noise. The main advantages in my view are lightness and variety of shapes. The major disadvantage is having to cannibalise a good coil to make the adapter, and then finding someone competent enough to make said adapter as well any risks to your detector that are involved. Obviously I would love to see Minelab make more coils for the GPZ, it frustrates me immenesly. I would say this has not happened for two reasons, one is the detector is selling well and secondly the GPZ is the first of its line so logic would say Minelab have big plans for this tech in the future. I do not speak for Minelab and do not know what they have planned but anyone with any brains can see the main complaint of the GPZ is weight, hopefully now the tech is more mature we’ll see future inroads in this area. JP
  30. 2 points
    Only Aussies and Kiwis know how to find gold with a metal detector and so have pictures to prove it. Yanks are all talk and no pictures.
  31. 1 point
    I have been working an old area that mostly has fine gold, though I have detected and recovered a few nuggets up there. But it's not a big producer. There are bench deposits of old river gravels on bedrock above the main channel, so naturally I worked to bedrock. The deeper I dug, the worse values turned up. Bedrock is key, right? Not here. Turns out the gold is actually sitting on top of the ancient hard pack! Once I learned that whenever the gold was deposited, it could go no deeper than the crunchy stuff I was able to get some nice chunky gold out to add to my collection. Hope this helps someone else out. Interesting that it must have weathered after the river bed was cemented, and it's rough enough to show that it hasn't travelled far.
  32. 1 point
    The fly is a classic, he was no doubt on JW's elbow, for some reason flies around here like landing on elbows. Usually on your detector arm so it's hard to get them off. They won't go anywhere else, just your elbow 🙂 It sure must be nice having the house on wheels to go to these far away locations, parking up at the gold areas, stumble out of bed with a detector in your arm. Living the dream! Although the last time I woke up and threw a detector on my arm first thing in the morning I threw the GM1000 on to go for a coin/jewellery hunt and didn't realise until I got to the location with no possibility of going back to swap it over or i'd miss my detecting window. I didn't chug along that weekend, I was busy working on my house between tenants all Easter so by the next weekend I was dying for a detect. JW's a bit behind on his gold posts because he's been finding so much lately, it's like he's found all new areas to detect having these new coils 🙂 It's making my gold take look terrible now, to the point of embarrassment!
  33. 1 point
    I Know Paul but they won't let me retire from my work here on the ranch .
  34. 1 point
    I've seen this kind of adjustment on alarm clocks (as in the above image). If you Google search "antique alarm clock back" you will see many more. It would be surprising for this to be on a pocket watch unless it were under a 'door', else you would likely unintentionally slide the lever when taking it in and out of your pocket. It's small for the (entire) back of an alarm clock but it could have been attached to the (larger) back plate, I suppose. Interesting find but it's seen better days. 😢 I have no idea of its age. Sure appears to have been in the ground a long time. WAG is that it is from the hotel era.
  35. 1 point
  36. 1 point
    Steve, I am so envious of you guys right now but all the best down under and can't wait to here some good tall tails in Yuma next winter.
  37. 1 point
    I'll just nod my head and use the slack jawed vacant stare. I find it discourages pointless conversations on such things as politics, religion and my (fill in brand) coil/detector is better than yours.
  38. 1 point
    I`d like to barrow them too KL, and see how the hell you managed to condense our lingo so much.
  39. 1 point
    Great job JW, congrats sir.
  40. 1 point
    Norvic, I was making the point that I have spent a lot of my life helping develop metal detectors so am well placed to use and try them and give feedback and in this case was doing so well before they were readily available, because of that the coil you are now using is most likely very much improved from the originals. JP
  41. 1 point
    Firstly a question to both JP & KiwiJW, Are we using the same X coil? the one I have is not 15x14 it is 15" in diameter, check out photo of it below the 14". It is more stable when knocking rocks or when swinging in amongst heavy grass, it mirrors basically my first take on the ML 19, a more stable coil then the 14". It has killed the 14" in my opinion, but as I don`t spend my time testing coils for reviews rather I use them to get gold, thus because I am now very confident in the 15" X coil, I am patch hunting ie. finding gold and that is what it is all about for me. Now JP you may consider you believe you are the most qualified to test, that is your opinion of yourself, I`ve been swinging these things and have met lots of people who have done so also for a long time, and one thing all those people never say is they are more qualified then others they`ve been at it long enough to know better. I am in no way connected to the Russian Manufacturer of the X coil, I purchased my X coil from the Australian Distributor whom through this forums posts over time I have developed respect, thus had no problem accepting his view that the X coil is worth a go, it certainly is and I can confidently say it beats the 14" in stability, and depth.
  42. 1 point
    Just to clear something up so it doesn't sit there all day until JW gets home from work, I'm not trying to argue with you or anything JP but JW is not selling the coils, he never intends to sell the coils, it's not about money, he doesn't need to make a few bucks selling an occasional coil to somebody, our market is too small to even consider it. He would sell a coil a year if he's lucky and probably to the same guy. There are so few of us detecting for gold, and even less using the GPZ. It could have gone either way with him having these coils, if the coils were bad you can bet your left eyeball he'd say so. I have no reason to say how well I see the coils working. I have no connections to the Russians or anyone associated with them and if I see a bad product or something I don't agree with I am known to be a little bit lippy. 🙂 Even our Minelab dealer who himself is a very successful prospector runs a 4500. We live in a small place with small gold producing areas and mostly everyone knows everyone in the gold game. What he is reporting on is his personal results with the coils on ground he's been over time and time again. I've been over quite a bit of it too although that doesn't say too much 🙂 He operates differently to me when detecting, he'll spend a day in an area 20 x 20 meters, I used to think it was weird 🙂 . I don't know how he can do it but he does, he has a level of patience I'm yet to achieve, then he'll go back another day and do the same spot all over again because the winds changed direction or there was rain the night before or something like that. He's done these same spots with every detector he owns over the years doing the same thing. I bounce around all over the place even though I know I shouldn't. If he finds any gold anywhere, this is his usual process. He may sound defensive about people questioning him on if the 14" missing the gold but that's because he knows how well he's covered the ground, and how many times he's covered the ground. Maybe our mild soils are making these coils work far better than in the hot Aussie soils, I always expected the coils to do well here even if they didn't do well in OZ, we can mostly run all of our detectors flat out with little problems in most areas. It would be difficult to get a target and change coil to the stock coil and test the targets as sometimes we dig 50 shotgun pellets or little bits of metal to one bit of gold. In the spot we went last weekend it would of been possible due to the unusual lack of junk probably because of all the hundreds of dig holes around the spot but that spots looking pretty empty now, although there is still the 15x14" X-coil to try on it yet 🙂 I'm surprised you asked ML to make you an adapter JP but it's interesting they did it, that adapter would be a keeper. Did they put the ground wire coming out of the side of microphone plug adapter for proper grounding to give it the most surface area possible for contact? I'd love to see a few photos of their adapter to see how they made it if you can put them up that would be great to see how they did theirs, maybe they've made a better version. I would think you'd be in a rush to use them and test them and want it straight away and all it involves is a trip to Jarcar or an electronics store to buy some microphone plug ends and cutting the wire and soldering joins in five wires. A simple task for someone that makes audio boosters which unless mass produced in a factory involves fine detail soldering or using heat and not just joining some wires to terminals in an adapter.
  43. 1 point
    JW and other successful prospectors putting regular posts up like JW does are Minelab's marketing, it's the best form of marketing when users not on the payroll are regularly reporting success with your products and proving it with the story and photos. He's found so much stuff and done stories on it and not once entered the find of the month competition, it's clearly not for financial gain. Minelab should start selling adapters, if they don't it is an opportunity for Steelphase and others. Send your coil to them, they send it back with a new plug and an adapter. Steelphase could make a nice looking adapter with his skills. People can carry on with all the technical mumbo jumbo on why the aftermarket coils won't be or can't be getting gold the stock coils have missed all they like, results prove otherwise.
  44. 1 point
    I highly doubt the public would be included in the release of a countermine detector for the military.
  45. 1 point
    KAC - you are 100% wrong - it seem to be a theme - serves them right for having their stuff made over there - not blaming you directly, you never said anything of the kind, but the theme runs deep. Might be a scrap of truth if they were made there - but as I said before - 100% of all Teknetics and Fisher detectors are made in El Paso Texas, which since 1845 at least, is part of the country I live in and had the honor to serve in uniform - a long time ago, but.....
  46. 1 point
    No, the face plate colour is exactly the same, the detector itself is exactly the same. The tip off was the price at $580 AUD for a AUD $1000+ Detector, Then it was coming from Ebay, another risky sign, then the seller was from China - big red flag, and last but not least looking at his other items for sale which included the GP Pointer (Fake carrot) , GF2 (fake T2) and he also had the fake G2. All the usual fake products. The other giveaway was it was the GBP DP, the Chinese always do the DP package now as it's more bang for the buck. It was guaranteed then it was going to be a clone. The disappointing thing at the moment is the seller is still selling them, ebay may of refunded this case but they're letting the guy still sell them to other unsuspecting users. But if you look at page 1 of this thread with the correspondence with ebay, that's all they intended to do, only if people complain is it an issue!
  47. 1 point
    Nice reading in this thread. Coil control becomes second nature with more and more practice with each model detector. Tone rhythm tells me something. Tone strength tells me something. Tone consistency tells me something. Coil height with tone behavior tells me something. Pinpoint tells me something. Switching directions quickly over a target with tonal behavior considered tells me something. ID behavior of suspect target while sweeping. All this above makes for an interesting jig saw puzzle. Putting all the pieces together. And sometimes we must put some of the puzzles together with a piece or two missing. A jig saw puzzle with a missing piece or two still does paint a picture. Enough of a pic sometimes to dig a nice find.
  48. 1 point
    Im new to detecting and have the nox 800, I've learned that the numbers dont mean as much as tone. That being said I dig everything and try to call the target before digging and the only thing I can consistently call are dimes and quarters, other coins I can call but not as accurately. I take a silver bracelet with me to test before I get started and I get different readings depending on the location and which mode I'm in. The only times I've passed on targets is an obvious tacklebox spill (split shot scattered everyplace) or someone did a mag dump and all I find is brass
  49. 1 point
    No, it’s simply having the coil and mind integrated as one. The detector and coil by extension literally become part of my body. I have an inherent sense when I sweep a target correctly and the target id seems correct as opposed to making a swing that seems a little off center or too fast or too slow..... whatever. Sweep speed can be very fast, very slow, or anywhere in between depending on the detector. An experienced detectorist should know without even having to think about it that either slowing the sweep or increasing the sweep will improve the target id. It depends purely on the exact scenario as to what will work best. In most cases I find after getting a target that speeding up my sweep will help “sharpen” the target id number. Other times I may need to slow down. I think that connection between the mind and coil is one of the things that sets great detectorists apart from the crowd. It is also almost impossible to define in words. It’s like trying to describe how to be great at swinging a golf club. The Minelab Equinox is a great example. I see people comment about the target id being inaccurate. I personally consider the machine to have an extremely accurate target id. The difference I believe is that some people think a detector should deliver very tame numbers that are always or nearly always the same. They see the Equinox numbers jump around and blame the machine for being inaccurate. I in turn am hearing somebody say they really don’t understand how an extremely fast, extremely accurate detector actually works, especially when sensitivity is being pushed to the edge. It’s all about coil control and knowing that you have “hit” the target correctly and knowing internally that the target id delivered is a “good one”. The truth is the Equinox is delivering the reality of the nuance under the coil. The only question is whether the operator can develop the skill required to accurately understand the machine and what it is saying. Coil control is critical to that ever happening.
  50. 1 point
    It takes on average around 3 - 5 years to get genuinely new platforms to market. Not counting rehashing the same old thing or making most VLF detectors which is just sticking old tech in new boxes. This has been on the radar since 2015 so the time frame is not unusual. It’s just been visible and like a watched teapot that makes it seem forever. But I agree First Texas has been stuck too long on single frequency VLF. Why no digital CZ in the last ten years will always be a mystery to me. Nothing new, just convert the analog version into something more compact with a modern target id system. Same performance would have been just fine. Just update for the 21st century.
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