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  1. 38 points
    A couple of years ago I was prospecting an area in the southwestern Arizona desert and picking up a few small bits, mainly in drywash piles (dryblower heaps), when I received a decent, deep sounding signal from the detector in bench gravels above the present dry stream bed, which turned out to be a solid, dense 1/2 ounce beauty of a nugget. I searched the surrounding area thoroughly and turned up a few more small bits, but nothing more of any size. Recently, I decided to target the same area using a different detector mode that is designed to punch deep on dense, sluggy gold. Sure enough, in a spot that I had gone over multiple times before, I got a faint, repeatable signal that ended up being a lovely 2/3 ounce chunk of a nugget at nearly 2 feet (61 cm) deep. I’ll be giving this location another good going over with a large coil to see what other golden goodies may yet be lurking in the depths.
  2. 35 points
  3. 34 points
    This thread is a place were I can share and continually update pictures of any of my current gold finds, kind of like a gold diary of sorts. Sometimes I’ll include narrative other times it will be just pictures of what I found for the day. I get out detecting regularly and I use a lot of different equipment some of which is not open for discussion. This thread is NOT about equipment but about the gold I find as I find it. I will try to include pictures of the terrain so people can visualise what the areas look like where I‘m detecting. I would prefer if others do not post up pictures to this thread but ALL DP members are more than welcome to comment and ask questions about detecting related subjects, especially about targeting locations and mind sets and approach. It’s OK to relate to a post and talk about your own experiences, in fact I insist on it. That’s the whole point of a gold thread, to share my daily gold finds and talk with like minded people about how much fun it is to find gold. The Last couple of days detecting things have been a little slow as I revisit old haunts not visited for years. I’m targeting areas associated with old gold finds looking for indications of other nearby locations that are conducive to nuggets being present. The signs I’m looking for are gravels that are exposed at the surface, especially with pieces of ironstone in the mix, then working off the edges into the soil covered zones. Clermont does not have channeled gravels that were originally associated with creeks and rivers but instead has deltas of wash that spread away from the source becoming water worn in the process, this means you can have quiet large areas of deco clays with very little gravels then hit an area the size of a kitchen with good wash that contains gold, sometimes it can be associated with a weathered down localised quartz reef which has acted as a trap for mobile gravels or it will be made up entirely of gravelly wash that has moved on-mass and delta’d out in a fan shape. The trick is to find these areas hidden amongst the tree cover and fine surface soils that hide them. Quite often you will head downslope following the gold then hit a blank of deco that goes for 30 meters then the gravels will start up again. The trick is to try and push the boundaries until either a major drainage gobbles up the contents of the slope or the ground becomes barren. The hard part is to try and decide if the surface soils are laying over gold gravel or just deco with nothing underneath. JP Pics are of the last couple of days in two different locations. Day two
  4. 31 points
    I was in Quartzsite looking for flea markets for 2 days with my girlfriend (she is not a fan of prospecting). I snuck off for 2 hours to do some detecting with the 17x12 X Coil which Al had given to me for free to make up for the problems I had with the early X cords. I've not had any issue with cords since then, they stretched again but not enough to bind up in the shaft and inserting/removing coils has been easy now. Since time was slim I decided to hit a wash fairly close to town which had produced a little over 1 ounce for me with the 4500 and GMT, but which I had not visited with the GPZ at all yet. I figured it was the best chance for me to find a nugget in a short amount of time. Most of the gold found previously was 1/2 gram to 2 grams here. Not much smaller, and not much bigger. The wash has bedrock from surface to about 3 feet deep, a nice quiet gneiss and schist assemblage, pretty standard in Q. Part of the reason for the mild soils. I also thought odds were good that I'd missed all the deep, small stuff back in 2012 and that it'd be perfect to clean up with the GPZ/X combo. I'll try something different this time and I'm going to show the horizons and surrounding land. Anyone who really wants to track it down and find it, go for it. As I detect less and less, someone new or just starting can figure out where they are at. This is looking down towards some mountains that can be ID'ed. The part of the wash that produces gold is about 1/2 mile hike uphill from here, and is currently unclaimed. The 17x12 ran even quieter here than in Gold Basin, no problem running at 20 gain, HY, Normal. Though I run in low smoothing because I like a stabler threshold than most so I can move faster and concentrate. Within 5 minutes of hiking to my spot, I got a decent signal, a bit quiet but repeatable. Mostly only sounded off in a circular area under the coil, as if the coil were an 8" round, and I couldn't hear it towards the ends of the coil. I scraped 2 inches of gravel away with my boot, and the signal was now pretty stout. After breaking out the pick, I got down about 15" and started exposing jagged bedrock. I put the coil on edge and pinpointed the signal to a small area between bedrock juts and then began chiseling and brushing away gravel until I found the nugget with my pinpointer, so I could get a picture in situ. It's at the point of my finger inside a crack that required screwdriver excavation. I pried the nugget out of the crack after fidgeting with the bedrock a bit, and was a bit surprised to see it was larger than expected, in fact this is largest nugget I've found in this wash. I figured it was 3.5 grams by feel. It ended up running around 4.5 grams and paid for all our gas and food for the 2 day trip down. So I was happy, for what was at the time about 15 minutes total into the short time I had to detect on this trip. The hole is at the bottom of my coil. The nugget was wedged down in that bedrock which is unfortunately covered in shadows in this photo, and the total depth was just shy of the length of the coil, so around 16-17". There is a new ATV trail almost to the point where I started detecting so I can't help but feel at least 1 person has had a Z14 over this wash, but I'm not certain. This nugget was sitting almost vertical, and I suspect that is why it was missed previously and not a screaming signal on the 17x12, though the signal was definitely sharp and unmistakable. Another 30 minutes of poking and prodding into the rocks and bedrock, and I pulled up a deep drywasher nail and a the head of another nail. Both sharp and loud signals right in the gut of the wash that my 4500/GMT combo had missed 7 or 8 years ago. I was near the start of the wash, thus the end of my journey and thinking it was about time to turn around and hike back down. And then I hit my final target on the short hike, a ~1 grammer which was also a sharp and pronounced signal, and also right beneath a stretch of exposed bedrock. It's at the tip of my finger, didn't have to dig around with the screwdriver for this one. Here is the sum total of what I found with about 1 hour of detecting and 1 hour of hiking there and back. This is a wash I detected back in 2012'ish with a range of 4500 coils and my GMT (before I had a GB2), probably 8 or 9 times total. I covered most of the upper portion of the wash that had produced nuggets for me in the past, though I suspect I could pull another 1 or 2 out of there if I tried with the 10". I'm also pretty certain the 10" would have missed the larger, deep nugget, but I can't be absolutely certain. Total weight, not bad for an ~hour of work. And one final horizon shot right where the nugget zone starts, up towards the base of the mountain. For all the internet sleuths and greenhorns who can't find anyone to share locations with them to get them started. Good luck. Enough clues here to find the area for a dedicated individual. Overall I was happy with the 17x12 in the rocky wash/bedrock areas. It ran smoother here than Gold Basin, both dealing with ground mineralization and EMI. GB gives me these zips and zaps that are absent here, and struggles with the BIF and basalt, and it's real hard to run this 17x12 full bore in washes there with high black sand concentrations. The magnetite chunks in Q gave me problems but they do with the Z14 and 4500 too, so nothing new there. The main issue I have is the edges seem to not be sensitive enough on this coil compared to the rounds. So while the geometry allows you to push into tight cracks, you aren't always getting full sensitivity in the depths of the cracks as you would with the 10" round. The shape of the area of maximum sensitivity within the coil is odd. A simple sweep often misses subtle targets unless you are over one of the sweet spots, and the sweet spot doesn't appear to just be a smaller ellipse within the elliptical coil, it's some odd shape with hotspots within itself. That sounds confusing, but I have a hard time explaining it better. I think Condor mentioned it already, but pushing/pumping the coil into tight spots over the center of the coil (if possible) often works better to hear the coupling between very tiny or very weak targets to determine if it's good repeatable or ground mineralization. I've been doing this out in the open in the flats in GB too, especially in areas of high mineralization, to determine what is a good target. One thing is certain, in the US it's mostly about knowing where to go, or knowing someone who knows where to go. Or having exclusive access to land. This shows why. This was found in 2 hours, but only because I was lucky enough to start detecting at a time when a lot of people ran their detectors subpar by copying settings off internet forums, allowing me to find a lot of stuff the others missed. Those days are largely gone since the GPZ levels the playing field today. I couldn't walk into a goldfield I've never been to an expect the same results, it was only my knowledge of what and where I found gold in the past that let me do this. So, don't get discouraged if your results are not the same. A new guy would simply just have to hope to stumble on this place by dumb luck since all the leads are gone now, while I can just hike right to it. So maybe this will help someone new find an "old" place. I don't detect as much as I used to these days as I have other projects going, but Al (X manufacturer) sent me this coil for free to try last year, and I figured it'd be nice to do a write up since I wasn't able to run my GPZ on the commercial project I have going due to EMI interference from the CAT 336. The coil performed great here though, and it was nice to just get out and finally do some detecting for fun.
  5. 31 points
    Lunk has motivated me! So I snuck out in between the rain storms today. I have a spot that has been producing smaller pieces but this one popped up today. 28.7 grams.
  6. 30 points
    After sheltering in place for over a week, my son and I escaped to the desert to refine our social distancing. Instead of playing with settings on the 7000, I decided to work on my personal hunting technique concentrating on swing speed, 'range of motion' as JP calls it, coil control and listening for faint, vague changes in a steady threshold. My son took off to hike while I clambered down a boulder strewn and treacherous hillside with all my gear. I tuned up at the bottom and began to slowly cover ground I had already gone over in a previous post. Almost immediately I got what sounded like a small EMI tone-change in the threshold. But as I made my first boot scrape I saw my son waving from the top of the hillside and motioning for me to come up. I took off my headphones and heard him calling to me to come and help him. Now I am advancing in years and that hill is not for sissy's but he was insistent. A few minutes later I stood beside him out of breath and slightly put out, but when he pointed at a near-by prospect hole and said "can you help me get him out?" I was honored that he had asked me to come and help. Somehow a desert tortoise had fallen into the excavation. My son clambered down, lifted him out and handed him to me. We put him in the shade for awhile to let him calm down after being lifted and carried around. After awhile, refreshed and emboldened, he took off, snacking on Spring flowers and grass shoots as he went. My son continued his hike as I made my way back down through the rocks and resumed my hunting. My first faint change in the threshold produced a flake so small that, if it didn't go off on the detector, I would not have believed it was gold, it looked more like a slice of silica, but it was gold. (0.01g). The next flake was beside a basalt rock and I made out the signal in the midst of the sound the basalt was making. That's where swing speed (slow), and coil control makes the difference between finding a bit of gold or passing it up and moving on. Anyway, all in all, 5 stupidly small flakes - but all of them were found because I had decided to focus on what I was doing rather than what the detector was doing. Best to everyone in this strangest of times.
  7. 30 points
    Firstly: I am using an aspect of JP's fantastic thread (among others as well), - the way he sets out his posts - because it is so instructional, I decided to give it a try. I had been thinking about why hunting in known areas is sometimes beneficial. Here are some brief thoughts based on yesterdays hunt. I was able to drive to a spot I have been an incalculable number of times, to spend four hours doing what we all love. My only human contact was my son who accompanies me but then disappears to hike and sketch. The area is close to the Los Angeles area so, as you might imagine, it is incredibly worked - I decided to look just on the outer edge of an area that has a similar "look" to where everyone usually goes. This is the geology of the general area. It is strewn with basalt, iron stone and a number of other types of conductive rock. It takes a lot of concentration to pick out targets among the myriad of inputs. I used HY/N, no Smoothing, conservative settings for the rest. I tried Low Smoothing which was nice in one way; it lessened the amount of ground feedback - but it also mitigated the target signals enough so that I switched it off after testing each target with it before I dug. These are not spectacular finds - they are to show two things; one, that working outside a known area sometimes can be successful and two, working carefully and yes, slowly - can pay off. There were a number of dig holes in the 40 yard square area from a long time ago, they missed these. found just beside the basalt stone. this was about 6 inches down and a really faint signal at the start In contrast, this was found after two boot scrapes - but had the same faint tone as the deeper one above -go figure. Below are some other finds from the day. As you can see, these are nothing to brag about, but for sharpening skills this area has been perfect.
  8. 28 points
    Hey Guys, I had to social distance myself, so I decided on a trip back to the old placers. Like always, digging tons of iron rubbish, this time I must of dug a dozen iron pick tips. I'm sure they were using the tips to pry open crack and it would just snap off the tips. I was working with my Minelab GPZ 7000 all day, moving rocks and racking sections of bedrock off. I ended up with 6.2 Grams of the good stuff in 5 gold nuggets total. I didn't get a picture of all the nuggets or a final shot, but here are a few I took during the earlier hours. A few pieces wedged in the bedrock cracks. Wishing and praying for health and wellness for you all during these crazy Coronavirus times. Rob
  9. 28 points
    Hey guys, I haven't done a show & tell on this particular forum yet. But a few friends I know here aren't necessarily members or readers of some of the other forums. So here is my latest trophy show & tell. Got this @ last Saturday, on a hunt with Brian "Cal Cobra". An 1881 P $10 gold. This is my 16th gold coin of my career so far. Brian also got an old coin from this trip, but .... we'll let him chime in with his 🙂 This site has, so far, given up a Spanish reale, an 1829 bust dime, some 1800's foreign coins, an 1853 seated quarter, gold rush buckles, etc... And oodles and oodles of period "whatzitz" that keep us on the edge of our seats. All I can say about the location is: "In California" 🙂
  10. 26 points
    I just got back home yesterday from wintering in Arizona and am now seemingly a prisoner in my own home due to the virus. I was able to go out detecting many times with only a few skunk days. The last day out, I found this specimen that is quite different from anything I had found before. Norm
  11. 24 points
    Hi Guys. I made a comment on Jason's post that I was going to an area that I have been wanting to get into for a while. At 5000 feet above sea level & needing to be able to spend a few days up there to have a good look around. Mrs JW was away & we had a long weekend so I thought this was my opportunity. Checking the weather forecast Saturday morning before heading off it wasnt looking too good. With a high of just 3 degrees celcius for saturday & 10mm of rain. That didn't encourage me at all. The glacial silt up there turns to grease with any hint of moisture & even with a 4X4 & being by myself with no other assistance I gave it a miss. I decided I had to get away & so I hooked up the caravan went to an area I hadn't been to since november. Reason being the grass growth has just been crazy here the last couple of years making detecting non viable. I have been so spoilt in the past with billiard table like conditions so any grass now is just a hindrance to my cause knowing how good I have had it. I phoned the farmer when I got my caravan all set up to let him know I was around. I didn't want to go & see him in person due to this virus situation. He informed me that there were rabbit shooters lower down on his property. So I told him I would go up the top end & well away from them. I wasn't wanting to go there as that was where I went in november & the grass growth was mental. I used the 10" coil that time & did manage a few bits. When I got in there this time the grass was even worse. BUGGER. It was mid afternoon by this time so I ended up putting on the 12" coil to get a tad more depth through the grass. Thought I was on to a good signal here on one of the very few bald spots on one of the old timers turned over piles. You will note the grass covering the piles & prospect holes going up the gully towards my wagon parked center background. Turned out to be a deeper shotgun pellet 🤬 Further down the turned over gully some more bald areas & I got another faint hit. Down 4-5 inches. 12 inch coil Down the gully a bit further another very similar signal from in the grass. So had to dig out the grass & the signal really improved. Down 10 inches That was it for the saturday. Just the two small ones. Zoomed up on the one on the right looks like a mouse without a tail 😄 Sunday I decided to go on a long walk into an area I hadn't been in to for about four years. The grass growth here was even crazier. If I hadn't of detected these old workings back then I would have struggled to recognise them today. It was unbelievable. They were quite substantial workings too but you wouldn't think so today. I just couldn't detect any where in them at all. I had elected to put back on the 10" coil for this days mission. Numerous gullies were all the same. Just 2-3 feet of grass. In some places it was up to my neck. This photo shows the grass growth & a bit of a bald spot on the top edge of a sluiced gully. The main workings are to the left they weren't even worth a photo. I detected that bald spot & down the bank face & nothing. Note that rock formation in the background. I nicknamed it Doggy Rock. Wonder why?😄 Gully after gully of old workings were all the same. Just too longer grass. The day wasn't looking promising & I had got gold before in all these gullies. I just couldn't get the coil to the ground. Came across a ruin of an old timers stone hut. I am thinking it was more of a rock base & probably had canvas sides & roof. Coming to a small area of exposed stony tailings or throw out pile where the grass hadn't got a hold, I made a vee line for it. Got a very faint signal after scanning most of it. Getting deeper & deeper down the signal getting better & better. So much so I was sure it was going to be a big bit of crap. But nothing lept up on to my magnet. Down 400-500mm it was screaming. Got to be rubbish for sure. Pick handle is 700mm Well stone the crows & tickle my arse with a feather.🤣 Not to forget that is just a 10 inch coil on the Zed. High Yield/Normal & full max sensitivity of 20 purring along nicely in my ground conditions. It must have been laying on its flat for sure. My biggest piece in a Longgggg time. Ye Ha.🙏 To be continued..... Cheers & Good luck out there JW 🤠
  12. 24 points
    I recently returned from a MD’ing trip to Cancun and the 3 of us used Minelab Equinox detectors. Finds included 100’s of coins, probably 10+ pairs of sun glasses, with 1 of them being Ray-Bans, 2 cell phones, numerous ear rings with 1 of them being 14K gold and another was a diamond stud. Chains, bracelets and metals, some broken and others hole. Over 30+ rings with many sterling, a few of the modern Tungsten and Stainless wedding bands and even gold rings (both white and yellow gold). 2 rings really popped out that were both 14K gold. One was the blue sapphire with diamonds and the other a wedding ring with a nice 1+ karats of diamonds. Even the 1st time lady digger scored a nice 14K white gold wedding band with a couple cool sterling rings. I managed 21 of the 30 rings so I won't complain but the amount of gold was certainly off my standards. Pic of rings on my hand were the ones I found minus a sterling that broke when being tumbled. We all enjoyed the warm weather, water and experience. The Equinox detectors performed as hoped. Used Beach Mode #1, GB on, open screen by pushing the Horseshoe, SENS around 17 to 19 and Threshold so I can hear it. All other settings were FP. What amazes me is the gold to modern metal ratio. The resorts I hunt used to produce more gold than modern metals and now it has flipped. in years past, I'd come back with 15 or 20 gold rings on a weeks hunt and never a modern Stainless or Tungsten. Now it seems I'll get more of them than I actually do the gold ones? Well the wife still likes going down there so I might as well get used to it and realize 5, 6 and 7 Gold ring days are long gone at those places. Guess I'll jump into a lake and follow BeechNut around as his gold ring counts are still good.
  13. 23 points
    It has been a wee while since I have posted on my adventures & finds due to losing heart from the flogging I took for defending myself using a certain coil & the agro that seemed to stir up from a few people. I don't know why or how, but I somehow seemed to have ended up coming off as the bad guy. All I have ever done on this forum over the years is share my experiences out in the field with like minded people, & what equipment I use & works for me in my conditions. If what I post & people can read between the lines & pick up on any tips & hints, & it helps or encourages them then that is what it is all about to me. That is how I learnt & I am just passing it forward. I don't want to get into battles over equipment used. That is not the person I am or the point of my posts. My heart is not truly back in its right place, but we will see how it goes for now. As Simon has mentioned & done a great job in his posts on describing the area of where we have been detecting lately & the nature of the gold being buried & entombed down inside the basement schist bedrock, I can only fill in my side of it, as Simon says, that is my story to tell. I think very recently, since having the Zed, that Simon has suddenly clicked inside his head with things out in the field that I take for granted. Things I have spoken to him about many times but I feel now that he gets it & he is away. 👍 His gold results of lately & how he came to get them is the experiences he needed & will now start to form the knowledge database in his head from now onwards. I think one of my last posts I mentioned taking a cold chisel & hammer with me on the E bike into one of the spots in this large area. There are gold spots within this large area of gold spots.😀 I had taken to hiding the cold chisel & hammer in a rabbit hole covered over with a rock. This saved me having to cart them in every time on the E bike & so saving on the weight. I had been into this spot a few times since the new year & I think it was about three missions ago that Simon came along & witnessed first hand me using the cold chisel & hammer to smash deeply into the schist bedrock to free up a piece of entombed gold. I don't think he quite believed what he was seeing. He learnt something that day. Using the cold chisel & hammer I ended up losing a few pieces of gold that flew out with the shards of schist & they were unfindable. I have now resorted to a couple of screwdrivers & a smaller hammer. Staying a lot more in control in carving into the schist & not having chips of schist fly everywhere & the odd bit of gold go flying off with them. Some digs resulted in numerous bits of gold coming to light as I carved down into a dig hole. Here are a few pictures of a 4 hour late afternoon hunt. Most of the time taken up smashing into the schist. Simon wasn't on this mission. Four pieces ended up coming out of this dig The photos don't really do justice to how deep this hole ended up being. The pick is lying across the original ground height before I started carving into it. The dig ended up in a narrow crevice opening up that was full of dirt material & I was able to use the smaller screwdriver to rake it out until the piece of gold flicked out. This mission ended up with 10 bits for .9 of a gram To be continued.... Best of luck out there JW 🤠
  14. 22 points
    Need a big PI to find high $$ gold? New customer on 1st voyage with his little VLF Gold Monster 1000 just dug some incredible, amazing, beautiful & highly collectible gold/quartz specimens. Largest quarts chunk is 27 grams Au. 2nd flat one 9 grams & 3 more rough pieces. Paid for GM1000 1st time out. I want most folks to realize, this isn't normal results, but with a geology background, it sure helps you read terrain & decide best ground to swing. Thanks bunches MH for allowing me to share your success.
  15. 22 points
    Yes, beach hunting is easier in multiple ways. I can only offer a general observation. Most people I have detected with are not nearly as patient as I am. They cover ground far faster, and if they do not see gold after a few hours or a day, want to go to an entirely new location. I do the basic research. Let's say there are a half dozen patches in reach that I am familiar with. I find that if I am with someone they want to hit them all. A few hours here, and then it's "let's go there." I subscribe to an old rule. Don't leave gold to find gold. If I know the place I am on has produced gold, and in general I have no reason to think the other places are any better (that's why I went to this one) then I do not like moving. It wastes time, and it wastes money in the form of fuel if nothing else. I like spending days and often an entire week in one location. How in the world can I spend so much time in one spot? Because I am methodical. I always hunt in a careful pattern with a GPS. My goal is to hunt any 10 square feet so well on the first pass that I never have to hunt it again (though I often do ). I work slowly and carefully around every obstruction, and move loose items aside. My coil control is my best tool. I may not tune up perfectly but I do keep the coil under complete control at all times. If anyone was to ask me why I am doing better than somebody else, it's methodical hunting and coil control, not magic settings. I do also have an ear for whisper signals, what I call imaginary signals. The ones where I go a foot or two before my brain says "was that a signal?" and back up and check. Even then I'm often not sure, but removing some material then let's me know, yup, that was a signal. I hunt patches that have been considered worked out by others and do pretty well on them. I have one patch I've hunted methodically with my GPS for several years now, and there are still gaps in my master GPS map that I need to go fill in. Once the core is filled I extend the perimeters quite a way beyond the last nugget. I don't mind hunting outward from the perimeter for a day and finding no gold. From my perspective it just needs to be done. I GPS mark every nugget so I can follow and extend any trend I see, plus rehunt areas where I found concentrations with a different detector or coil. The bottom line is that when you hunt like this, even a small patch can keep a person like me busy for a long time before I'm willing to give up on it entirely. Fred mentioned jack rabbits. That is how most detectorists do appear from my perspective. No patience, moving too fast, poor coil control, getting bored and wanting to hop locations quite regularly. It is why I prefer to hunt alone, as I tend to accommodate other people, but that then has me not doing what I really want to do.... stay put. For me an ideal detecting scenario is one week on one location. My on the radar sites with the most potential are probably the ones I like hunting the least, the ones that are full of trash. My theory on patches is that they are not hunted as long as one signal remains. That means I have to dig up every target, and I do mean every bit of trash, not matter how tiny. But it just wears me out. So for those places I have to use the old saying about how you eat an elephant - one bite at a time. I just have to keep going back and digging trash until it wears me out, then go back again sometime in the future. Any bit of trash can be a nugget that reads like trash, or which is masking a nugget. The most gold left out there right now is probably in the trashiest locations. A mixed blessing if there ever was one.
  16. 21 points
    I put in some serious days of detecting old patches in Gold Basin in order to get a solid idea of what I personally missed with the Z14 and give my coils more of a workout. Most of the spots I hit were patches I personally found and I doubt anyone else has ever detected, that way I can gauge what exactly I was passing by and get a good feel for the differences between the coils I have with me. However, the first patch I hit was on in Lost Basin proper and not one of my own. I had once met an old timer detecting here as I was exploring back in 2014 and he explained he had found this patch in 2002 and it had produced up to a 1.5 oz'er and about 3-4 ounces in total, mostly deep. It's about 50'x50', seen 3 GPZ's I am aware of, 25" coils, and about 2 decades of detecting. I put on the 17x12, which I was given free by the manufacturer, and began a mental gridding. 12 t-hold, low smoothing, 19 gain, HY, Normal. About halfway through I got a very subtle signal, but it was repeatable. I kicked off low smoothing just to hear the difference and the signal was definitely bigger...maybe wider is a better term. Kicking into Difficult the signal disappeared. Back to my normal settings, I boot scraped an inch and saw the top of a large rock which I assumed was the signal, but after pulling it aside with my pick the signal got stronger. I ended up with a solid ~0.3 grammer at about 10 inches. I'm certain this target didn't make a peep on the Z14. You can see the big boss man overseeing the operation here to the upper left, and also the old dead twigs which the old timer had at one time raked aside, which was what drew my attention to the area to investigate at first. Grand Wash cliffs in the background, the Grand Canyon is directly behind them. Visible is the foreground is the filled in hole, you can see this is pretty typical Lost Basin reddish dirt. I would classify it as mild to low-medium "heat". Some run Difficult here, but I see no need for it. Here is a video of the lack of sensitivity at the tips of the 17x12. It's really noticable when trying to pinpoint and oddly it makes a big ole 17" round easier to pinpoint with for me than an elliptical. I feel as if the 17x12 is like detecting with a 14x8 except with a lot of extra plastic around the edges and with the depth in the center of the coil of a 17" elliptical. It's odd. I'm not sure it's my choice for rocky washes anymore because that sensitive area towards the center is hard to get over everything. Next I moved to a wash in Gold Basin which had produced a lot of sub-1 gram stuff for me in the past and I put on the 10" to do some crumbing. I slowed down and really made an effort to listen for tiny blips but after running through about 40 feet of wash bottom without a piece of gold I decided to grab my Gold Bug 2 and run back over the same ground because I swore I should have had some dinks by then. A lot of caliche is exposed here, and for those who don't know what caliche is, it's basically a limestone conglomerate type rock that acts as bedrock in the desert here. It can be soft or hard as concrete. Almost immedietely I had a strong signal on the side of the wash, which I assumed must be a small bit of tin. I grabbed the GPZ/10" and despite my best efforts I couldn't get any type of real signal to repeat for me. Going back to the GB2 I recovered the target and it ended up being a 0.03 gram tiny nugget, which upon looking with a loupe was quite porous and had tiny microscopic bits of quartz within it, a very common occurence for nuggets here as much of the gold forms within breccia in shears and shattered fault gouge here so it often encapsulates almost microscopic bits of quartz. Due to these non-sluggy sort of targets, the VLF seems to hit much harder on them than the GPZ/10", which probably explains why I can't seem to get the sensitivity on my tiny nuggets as others seem to be reporting, even in other parts of AZ. A 0.1 gram nugget of gold from here might only have 0.05 grams of gold in it, and discontinuous geometry, which is hard on non-VLF machines. I moved on another 5 feet and hit another pretty definite target on the GB2, this time it was a paper-thin flake, I think it was about 0.05 grams. Just holding it in my fingers lightly was enough to bend it. It's at the tip of my pointer finger. It would make a sound on the 10" if I waved it in my scoop right over the coil, but it couldn't hit it at about 1", just too thin even for the GPZ, and that's why I missed it I think. I put my GPZ back in the truck and decided to just run through the last 30 feet or so I had covered with the 10" just out of curiosity. I almost immedietely hit another signal, faint but repeatable. At about 6" I pulled out a 0.2 grammer right on caliche. Not sure how I missed this one, might have gone too fast with the 10". It ended up having a lot of quartz too, and some hematite. And then another 5 feet again, about 5" and sitting on caliche, a 0.2 grammer that I really should have heard before but somehow didn't. This one I got in-situ before brushing it away as it was wedged in between two cemented pebbles. And then finally a 0.15 grammer that really wasn't even very deep. Not sure why I missed this one but it was right in the center of the small wash and there is no chance my coil didn't scrub it. This post got kinda long, so I will take a queue from JW and do a multi-part post. My conclusion (unsurprisingly since we already knew this) is that the target geometry/composition makes a big difference in how successful a person is with the 10" and why I was having trouble understanding why people don't simply just go in with their VLF's instead of the 10X since it's so much quicker and lighter. I know I traded notes with Andy when we first got our 10"' X Coils and he was getting a lot better depth on tiny bits than I was, and I'm sure it's because the gold in the areas he detects is more solid and my gold has a ton more quartz inclusions and porosity. I have some 0.1gram bits that won't make a peep on the 10X even running them directly over the coil in my scoop, and that's due to the target characteristics. Overall, I'm reminded why I rarely spend much time doing this kind of detecting unless I really need to get a couple pieces for morale. I don't live close enough to gold fields where I can spend my time chasing small stuff like this. That's just me and my personal situation, but I feel it's necessary to state since the majority of posters here live much closer to detecting ground and might not understand why I detect the ways I do. It's 1000 miles drive each way for me to go detecting and I'm not retired so I have to make it pay or at least break even. Next post I'll show you what I normally aim for in my personal detecting and why I do it that way even though it breaks some of the "golden rules" of gold detecting. I believe it will be important to make these distinctions for those new people reading these sorts of posts 5, 10, 15 years down the road and wondering why we did what we did. I feel it's important to not copy what others do online, but to develop a strategy and skillset that matches your local conditions and personal situations. My style probably might not even be optimum 150 miles away in the Bradshaws, let alone across the country or world.
  17. 20 points
    We all know why so let’s not go there. Here are a few ideas of prospecting and metal detecting related activities you can do at home. 1. Research. This is the key to all truly successful prospecting and metal detecting. You need good locations to do well, and they are getting harder to find every year. Time spent researching is never time wasted. 2. Take those detectors apart and give them the best cleaning ever. Make them look brand new! Are there spare parts you don’t have and maybe should have? Extra coil bolt and washers for instance. Think about this while cleaning the detector and get them ordered. 3. Check all those old batteries and discard the ones that need to go away. If you have detectors that have been sitting for too long, take the batteries out if they are going to keep sitting. Charge everything up that can be charged. 4. Time to clean house. Get that stuff you are never really ever going to use again up for sale or give it away. 5. Go though all those finds and get them in order. Maybe some need to go in the trash. The best may need a display case. Good time to take photos and post a story! 6. You know those bench test experiments you always meant to do but never get around to? Time for that and maybe a test garden or test tub to answer some of those questions for yourself that have been nagging you. 7. Change the oil in that ATV or generator. Service all your support gear and vehicles. Please add your own suggestions to the list......
  18. 20 points
    While exploring an old desert mining district yesterday, I came across a small drywashed patch. I like these kinds of spots not only because detecting them usually guarantees a few bits will be added to the poke, but also searching the surrounding area can potentially lead to more nuggets or even another small, overlooked patch. Slow and thorough coverage with the mighty Zed netted five pieces of the good stuff, including a sweet gram and a half nugget at eight inches in a coarse tailing pile, and two bits that each weigh in at a mere zero point zero four of a gram. Over 2.5 grams all up, and at today’s gold prices, even that small amount adds up to some decent pocket change.
  19. 20 points
    Agreed Steve, well written and factual with some excellent pictures. The country looks so similar to the Pilbara in WA without the red of course but still strikingly beautiful, although it must get extremely hot during summer! Jasong if its OK to discuss this subject? Audio Smoothing is a noise floor filter that raises and lowers the target signal acceptance, the problem with it is once raised anything that does not reach the acceptable level of signal strength to break through the filter will never be heard no matter how much other settings are tweaked. Might I suggest as an experiment to open up the filter by using Audio Smoothing OFF then lower the Sensitivity till the threshold sounds OK to your ears relative to the ground signal, you can also in conjunction with this adjust the first page bottom right Volume control to get the balance right so there is an acceptable amount of feedback from the unit in your quiet ground types. On the very edge of detection targets, adding Smoothing really does kill the outright depth and I have found that testing on in-situ known targets gives a false impression of what is actually going on because the general wandering around listening to the threshold without any knowledge of a target is not taken fully into consideration with this testing method. Familiarising yourself with the localised ground conditions plays a huge role in depth detection as your brain does a lot of averaging and is primed for that slight break or pitch change. IMHO increasing sensitivity then having to use filtering is counterintuitive, filtering kills the lead in and tail out information reducing the effectiveness of using a full Range of Motion on the deeper iffy targets. Not trying to tell anyone how to suck eggs just suggesting a different approach, I hope its OK to mention this without seeming contentious?😬 JP
  20. 19 points
    I'm getting the bush basher serviced and ready for action. Last year in the off season I bought a 100 series landcruiser and cut it into an extra cab ute and built heavy scrub bars and side steps and a heavy roof rack out of 3mm wall chromemolly tube that acts as a exo roll cage. Then added a 4in lift, adjustable shocks, 33in tires, lockers front and rear, 270L diesel capacity, 180L of water, ect ect. Side steps fabricated. Bash plates Cut off back Fabricated new back and doors Fabricated tray support and chassis strengthening Build tray and roofrack Cab finished with tray skeleton installed Install battery carrier, water tank, recovery gear drawer. Now I'm about to start building a prospecting specific 4x4 quad bike. I recently purchased a Polaris 570 sportsman that I'm currently stripping off all of the plastics and non essentials like indicators, brake lights, ect. And replacing them with custom front and rear trays, scrub bars, bash/skid plates, storage, roll protection, larger battery system, solar charging system, extra fuel, water and winch front and rear. All designed for extended prospecting trips in remote locations and safety in rough terrain on my own. Should keep me busy until the wet is over
  21. 19 points
    Just posted on Yourube- Not posting here because there is F-bombs🥵 at the end of the video...put the above title in search to find! BEAUTY" Happy 2020 Enjoy! Ig Steve H added....
  22. 18 points
    Starting to think may be a cache of silver half’s in a general area, that’s three (1861-1862-1863) from same area. Two months ago, I dig an 1861 1/2 dollar, a week later a local buddy digs an 1863 1/2 dollar. Today, I dig the third an 1862 1/2 dollar from same general area. From previous hunts, Plenty of musket balls have surfaced, some 1850-1860 era finds as well. But no other coins have surfaced, just these three seated half’s. A town short lived, 1853 to late 1860’s based from history books. Based from one of the books, Late 1860’s a row of six wooden cabins facing the river still stood. Took me about 11 years to find these row of cabins, wasn’t until a few months ago finally found the town settlement. It’s located in an orchard, with permission from property owner, I’ve been searching for this settlement pass 11 years. It’s an area I use different top end detectors, enjoy switching things up a bit and happy as a lark what ever I swing. Today, it was the Blisstool V6 (Beast) that nailed the seated half. Running the V6 with Ore mode, but with a higher fine setting to bring back depth loss yet retain fast recovery speed. These settings work well in this area, the town area is laced with old iron. Square nails, large spike nails, etc. Ore mode turns the Blisstool V6 into a fast recovery unit, enhances separation in areas with iron. Hopefully, The owner plows here soon the area surely needs it. Maybe more will surface? Thanks for looking, Paul
  23. 18 points
    Continuing on with the detecting sessions, yesterday was initially a total failure except for my back up little bits patch on the way home. I spent most of the morning chasing big gold in nasty ground on a favourite old spot I keep going back to in-spite of my constantly reminding myself it’s played out. Score was an initial negative ”who’s the pig who did that“ , two tiny shotty pellets and a sore arm. Wasn’t impressed to find some pig had been using a “Dingo” machine to illegally push my favourite spot. So I had a choice to make, I was tired and dripping wet with sweat with the sun well up past midday, plenty of justification to just call it a day and chalk it up to experience or I could drop off at the talc patch below that old dry blow patch to see if I could ping a few tiddlers before calling it a day. The last time I was here was about 18 months ago when I did a training session with a customer who was struggling with his new GPZ 7000 (he was having trouble getting his head around good coil control and ”Range of Motion” concepts). I pinged two little bits quite quickly here and after the training session left him to it in the hopes he would find more only to have him in the shop a short time after I returned to say there was no more gold there and could I put him onto another spot. Literally 30 seconds into switching on I got a nice soft little signal on the edge of a diggers heap and so scored my first spec for the day. Note the darker looking gravels on the top of the digger piles in the background, the soils associated are reasonably benign but the coarse material is made up of highly mineralised country rock (Altered/metamorphosed sandstones), when they weather down the soils are very talc like and generally quiet to detect on, most probably made up from the surrounding country rock that is not so mineralised. For the next two hours I had a ball chasing faint targets going over ground Frieda and I worked back in 1996. Below the diggings the soil cover allowed me to crank things up a bit sensitivity wise, not SteveH insanely hot but definitely elevated compared to my usual pattern of conservativeness. One target was very subtle and would not present well when I dipped the coil into the hole and would only sound off when I passed the coil over the top of the hole, this is typical of how much EMI disrupts target signals when the coil is tilted. Tilting the coil was allowing EMI into the audio and cancelling out the target signal till I got the hole down deep enough to get the coil right on the nugget. This is also an example where elevated Sensitivity can go against you. Funnily enough the biggest target was the most attractive to the numerous flies floating around harassing me. 🤣 Not a fly Schist nugget by any means. 😬 Fly decided this one was too big to steal 🤪 I then started to target the more obvious deposit points and was rewarded with a deep piece below a tree, classic hiding spot for gold in forested country. I’d say the nugget has been there a lot longer than the tree so instead think the trees tend to grow in the right location relative to the nugget buried deep but who knows. The key point is a lot of gold is found downslope of trees for some reason, suggesting trees hold the ground together or even capture transported soils as they move downslope which is then conducive for more trees to grow there as the old one dies. These locations are prime for better technologies due to the extra depth and sensitivity relative to target size. Then I remembered back in the day pinging a few bits in the track so on the final lap before calling it a quits I carefully went over the pastel coloured sections that looked similar to the soil/gravel mix that came out of the gold holes and sure enough got a deep one in the track. A nice way to top off a couple of hours instead of having a skunk.😜 So there you have it, a busted day turned into a few bits for the jar leaving a positive experience instead of a no gold experience. I always try to plan my excursions this way, targeting deeper ground or prospecting in the early part of the day then falling back on a known location at the end if things don’t pan out. A big part of detecting is the psychology, putting a few bits into your jar no matter how small is always better than going home empty handed. I have dozens of spots like this around the whole country were if I spend a little bit of time “crumbing” can always turn up a few rattle bits for the jar, although I do have to say over the years the crumbs are getting smaller and smaller.🤔 JP Fuel money covered and a lot of fun to boot.
  24. 17 points
    This forum has simple rules about off topic items which have been discussed and affirmed by the forum members. I offered to create an off-topic forum and it was resoundingly voted down. The number one draw for these forums are their on topic nature. If you prefer something else, there are plenty of other options. The issues surrounding the COVID-19 virus have unfortunately become politicized to the point that I feel it best to ask everyone to keep discussion of this subject to a minimum. It may be mentioned in passing but threads devoted to the subject will be deleted. Nobody here is a world class epidemiologist and so everyone will pass on whatever questionable information they find elsewhere. There are far better places to get factual information than this website. That being the case, go to them to find information on the subject. There are a few links below. Inevitably there will be those that want to discuss people who are sick or have died. I’m very sorry for anyone when that proves to be the case but this is not the place for it. I created this site as a refuge from the events of the day. Let’s stick to gold prospecting and metal detecting and leave the woes of the world outside these forum walls. Thank you. These are trying times. I hope everyone out there including family and friends stays healthy and well. Information at CDC Information at John Hopkins Coronavirus Travel Restrictions U.S. Government Coronavirus Links Australian Resources Finally, please do not spread misinformation. Check snopes.com so you don't pass on fake email information like the Excellent John Hopkins Summary. If you got it in an email or on Facebook... assume it is B.S. Always go to the original source material like the sites listed above.
  25. 17 points
    Well, let me do a little comparative analysis to see if we can definitely answer mn's query. A beach is rather flat. My country is rather straight up and downuallar, A beach is nice smooth sand. I work in hard bedrock and boulders. A beach has no White Thorn brush or Manzanita to fight through. A beach lacks disgusting things like Rattlesnakes, Mountain Lions, Bears and the U.S.F.S to deal with. A beach might have several lightly attired ladies for pleasant distraction. All I get is Sourdough Scott. A beach has jewelry made by man. My mountains have jewelry made by God. Yes. a beach is easier but I'll stay in my mountains.
  26. 16 points
    Time to share some finds i have been making with my Nox 800. From the Sierras to the streets of Reno i have been swinging as much as possible over the last couple weeks. I'm running in Park 1, sens. 19-23, manuel ground balance, 5 tone, and 5 recovery, but i also play with the settings some to learn the machine. Here are some coins and relics i just found over recent weeks. I'm new to coin hunting, only been hunting since the end of January, but i am falling for this hobby too much fun!😃
  27. 16 points
    Yesterday was an overcast day which meant lower temperatures, the perfect opportunity to focus on a little spot I have that has very little shade cover. This year has been a weird summer, I have never seen the humidity so high without major rain associated with it, so even with the milder temperatures I was in a lather of sweat just wandering around. Fortunately the gold I was chasing is tiny and shallow so no major effort digging deep holes and getting the heart rate too high which then means elevated body temperatures. I’ve done a lot of testing at this location thanks to the low mineralisation levels a perfect spot for VLF or MF machines. However as is typical in Australia even our quiet ground locations have their noisy sections so yesterday was aimed at targeting the salty ground and the hot rock sections. It’s was good fun getting 17 bits but the pay was pretty ordinary relative to the sweaty time spent!😜 The bigger bits were surprisingly deep with a nice crisp but quiet signal response, the tiny ones were oft times right on the surface which required a bit of prostrate kneeling to get down low enough for my 53 year old eyes to spot them before disturbing the ground running the risk of losing them. JP
  28. 15 points
    Today I decided to break our states stay at home rule today. Now they mandated us wearing masks ever time we go outside, I call BS. I'm in the middle of a 20 acre field with no one near me for 1/4 of a mile. I just got my new 11'' coil (AF-28) for the Multi Kruzer, which is the factory coil on the anfibio. I couldn't wait to give it a run. I started out with a couple of air tests to see if my numbers were comparable to the 11x7 and the 9 inch. The 11's numbers are a little different on gold in the 50's VS 30's on the other coils. As for other coins, silver and such, they are just a few ticks higher on the scale. I've hunted this spot a lot and thought it was pretty much devoid of finds. So today I decided to take some advise that Againstmywill posted recently, and I cut my gain way back and decided to hunt the top couple of inches of ground. Boy did it pay off, Don't get me wrong I dug a lot of trash, but this was to work out my numbers and sounds with this coil. I think this might be the best coil for the Multi Kruzer. The only downside is EMI . I thought I had a pretty good day on the coins and got a bonus silver ring, I can't complain about that. I want to give a shout out to Tom Slick another forum member who recommended the 11'' coil. You were spot on Total Count 8 Quarters - 7 Dimes - 1 Nickle - 19 Penny's - old iron ring, glass fuse, at least 100 pull tabs, brass buckle, And a nice little silver ring. Sometimes it's worth breaking the law!! ( no one was hurt in making this post and Dogodog is a purely fictional character. ) Stay safe my friends!!!
  29. 15 points
    Go out shed hunting on the ranch i trade them for rock to flint knapp and give some to a friend who makes lighting fixtures from them . These were all found in the last week or so only no real big ones yet . some blades from blue obsidian from lassen creek california also these i knapp when i have down time . that i k
  30. 15 points
  31. 15 points
    I haven’t been getting out as much compared to last year. This is my first gold for the year and first silver (1858 seated dime). I got to the beach at 5 am for low tide and surprisingly I was the only Detectorist out there. Maybe the slight rain and the lack of sand movement kept everyone else at home. There were almost no targets on the wet sand but somehow I managed to snag this 14k bracelet. The silver dime, Indian head and most coins were from a spot that has given up a few oldies in the past. Good luck out there and HH.
  32. 15 points
    Last post. I'm either heading back home soon or going out to my land to be in total isolation, waiting to hear back on a couple things first. It's been raining/drizzling pretty much every day here. The drizzles are detectable, but when it starts raining hard you don't want to be caught in it since it can wash out your road in pretty quickly with flash floods. The sky has dropped to ground most days and there are still very few people out here. A few locals are wandering around doing test panning. A bit of the scenery here in Gold Basin. It's very Jurassic looking to me. Also a lot of old 60's Star Trek was filmed in the Mohave Desert when they needed to show an "alien" planet, so it always reminds of watching those too. Again I'm a bit slim on detecting pics because when it starts drizzling I just put my nose down and stick to detecting, so words will have to suffice here. I was using the 17" again this day, and I decided to visit a wash which had only produced nuggets mostly on one side of the wash. Many of these nuggets were buried only a few inches in the gravel and hadn't yet reached caliche. The last time I came here 2 years ago I had found a 1/2 grammer on the top of the wash bank under some drywasher tailings, and I had just assumed the nugget had come from the tailings. As always, I entered my observations into my notes, and I was re-reading my notes to look for places to revist with this X Coil. This bank which this 1/2 grammer was resting on was on the same side of the wash as most of the other nuggets had been found on. There were no nuggets found upstream in the wash beyond this last one. It occurred to me that it might be worth a shot to detect the hillside and benches here with the 17" to see if there might be a slopewash patch feeding the wash. This sort of thing is not uncommon out here, as the caliche on the hillside often represents older fossilized stream channels, and in places where the caliche is soft or eroding out, the hillsides can often produce nuggets. When you start digging into gravel and it turns whitish, it's always a great sign as that is showing it likely part of what once once a solid caliche layer and any targets within are almost always gold. I used my GPS to go right to the spot I had found the 1/2 grammer on the bank, and I could see the remnants of the same old drywasher pile. I began searching the area and about 15 feet from my original find I got a short, screaming signal. A bootscrape brushed it aside and I immedietely lost confidence that it was gold, but as I bent down I saw the unmistakable glint of a tiny nugget at the side of my scrape pile. It was a ~0.25 grammer that must have been only 1/2" down. A radius of 25 feet produced another 4 or 5 dinks, all almost right on surface and just barely buried. Looking closer at the soil, what was happening was the surface was once an old wash bottom made of caliche, but now that wash bottom had eroded another 10ft deeper leaving this old channel up on the hillside. Over a couple hundred thousand or so years, the gravels of the old channel had eroded back down into the wash and the freshly exposed caliche on the hillside (and old wash bedrock) was now breaking down with exposure to the sun and rain, releasing nuggets as it eroded. I went to wedge my coil in between two larger rocks that were still imbedded in the fossil channel and a boomer signal appeared as my coil neared the rocks. It was screaming by the time I got the coil edge in. This photo doesn't show it well since the background is out of focus, but I pulled a channel of dirt out between the two rocks, and then pushed the edge of the coil back in and the signal was still there, so I knew it had to be gold. I reached in the crack which was only about 1" wide at the bottom and as I pushed around the old dirt I saw the glint of gold, and it was this nice 5 grammer. You can see the soil is as I explained in a prior post to Mitchel, it's light grayish on top. But then often will be nice and red when you dig into it. The grayish can be seen on aerials and I use it to prospect for areas to explore. It's lighter colored for three reasons: a higher silica content, a higher content of the grayish/green schists, and a higher carbonate content (from the dissolving caliche). The dirt is red from iron oxides. All of these things are often related to good placer gold ground for geologic reasons I won't go into here. The soils that are red on surface can also produce gold, but often they are too young to concentrate it, and lack shallow caliche. There are exceptions as always, especially in Lost Basin. Anyways, pushing the coil around produced another 5 or so more dinks in my little hillside patch, but no more larger nuggets. nothing deeper than 1" aside from the 5 grammer which was wedged between the rocks. I had found a beautiful 20 gram museum quality piece in this wash many years back so I had hoped this patch was the source for more of it, but no such luck. The drizzle evolved, and rain started falling in blobs the size of the tip of my pinky, so large I thought it was hail at first and I made a mad dash back to my truck with plans to revist the area again with the 10". In all, just over 10 grams for the day. 13 nuggets, I think there are probably a few more left. I call this a cheeseburger day, any time I get over 1/4 oz I go to town to treat myself to a restaurant cheeseburger. Unfortunately it was not to be, the restaurants were all closed, virus stuff. I had a nice bologna sandwich when I got back anyways. One last scenery shot, I can't believe how green Arizona is right now, with all the rain. It looks like the San Juans in Colorado, in a way. Just a lot shorter. The cows must be happy, I've been wondering what exactly they have been eating up until now in the desert. That's all for me, just wanted to share some experiences with these X Coils. Until now, due to work and life, my experience with them has been limited to a few days here and there poking around since life has been crazy the last year. This was the first time I had a real chance to give all of them a solid run. I used the 12" the most up until this trip but I didn't take it with me since I wanted to force myself to use these other coils and I really thought the 17x12 was going to make the 12" redundant. But in the end, my least favorite coil is now the 17x12 due to edge sensitivity issues. I'd say the 12" is back to being my favorite all arounder, followed by the 17" a close second (maybe even 1st in some cases). The 10" and 17x12" are struggling to find places in my arsenal. I did put the 10" to good use in another trip yesterday though so I'm warming up to it but I think I've posted enough. Again just to summarize, I was given the 10", 17x12, and 17" free from the manufacturer and I want to make that clear for anyone reading these posts. I have no relationship with the manufacturer, I think he just felt bad about my early experiences and was trying hard to make things right and he went above and beyond IMO. But, I know I personally want to know that information when I read opinions on any products, from metal detecting to truck mod parts, any kind of products. I have tried my best to give my unmitigated opinion on my experiences with each coil here in my series of 4 posts with them. When NF releases their coils I will try to get one and compare it's performance to the similar sized X Coil, and I can guarantee I'll be using which ever one performs the best. Thanks for reading and to everyone who commented, I hope everyone is staying healthy, good luck all.
  33. 15 points
    I have to head home soon. I am a bit short on photos because it's been 50 degrees, 20-30mph winds, and constant drizzle. It makes me just want to stick to detecting and get through the day without messing around. There is no one around, the few people camped out are staying inside. As Condor and Flak have said already - prospecting is social distancing to the extreme and I love it! And it reminds of how it was when I first came here and I had the winters all to myself since everyone else went south. And every so often the sun comes out. The desert is green everywhere now, and I can hear this vegetation and the wet patches on my 17" coil so I'm having to slow myself down a bit the last few days. Notice I've removed my protective cover from GPZ, it's too much of a hassle with constant coil changing. Plus it's a tool, tools get beat up. whenever I sell this machine, the battle scars will be an testament to the machine's successes for whoever the next owner is. A mockingbird visited, bouncing up and down and making cricket noises, coyote howls, rooster crows, dove calls, I'm pretty sure it was trying to emulate an ATV engine sound too. First one I've seen and it was pretty amazing. I also noticed on the way in that someone has begin to detect my area pretty hard, and systematically. I noticed this on a number of other areas as well. Back on topic, my plan was to hike to a 2nd wash which had produced well for me in the past. It's about a 30 minute hike in, and I took the 17" with me to run over the rocks and do some deep seeking. I've worked this wash over 6-8 times with the Z14 because it's near other areas I was exploring and I'd always stop by on my hike back to grab a couple more nuggets on slim days. I've also run my GB2 over it once. This wash is getting really slim on targets. I had been running for a couple hours and began to think my "gas money wash" was pretty much dead. But then like last trip, I got a slight signal above a big pile of rocks. Pulling the rocks aside, the signal turned into a screamer and I knew it had to be gold. About 6" of rocks and about 10" of soil removed, I popped out a 2 grammer after using my flathead to chisel through about 1" of rotten, soft caliche. 30 minutes later I found a dink, with a lot of crystalline limonite and quartz, right in the middle of the wash, about 6" deep. The brown is attached caliche, not part of the nugget. And another 2 hours of poking and prodding, trying deep areas, produced nothing further. As new equipment comes out, this will be a great testing ground, if something new can make this wash produce more then I'll be personally impressed. Total take was 2.62 grams, again a paying trip. I cleaned these nuggets in water so you can get a sense of the porosity and inclusions. Under a loupe there are hundreds of tiny grains of quartz embedded into this stuff along with a crystalline form of limonite which often resists HCl. But I wasn't done yet, as the drizzle started again I hiked back to my truck and decided to take advantage of the 17" coverage by prospecting a hillside I suspect had gold somewhere on it since all the nuggets I found in the wash were on one specific side, and not on all stuck in caliche yet, indicating they had moved recently. One last post soon...
  34. 15 points
    Now that I've got your attention no JW didn't only get one bit of gold 🙂 He got many but that's his story. I managed one bit. I had to borrow his gold bottle as I forgot my own, I also forgot my harness which is not the best thing to do for someone with a sore back! A week or so ago we went for a detect at a spot on the E-bikes, JW did really well over at a rocky cliff area where gold was getting trapped like a sluice box in the schist. I was detecting some bedrock nearby. My back was terrible at the time due to an injury so I used my Equinox rather than my GPZ. I mostly spent my day digging shot gun pellets but I did manage a bit of gold in a crack in the bedrock, I had only the week before been watching JW smashing gold out of bedrock so when I found this bit I was pretty confident it was gold when the target needed smashed out of bedrock and it was. You can see the thin layer of soil over the bedrock and minor cracks in the rock where I had to smash it out. The smashed up crack above in the coil in this photo and the little bit of gold. I forgot to weigh this one before throwing it in with my gold collection. I wasn't going to bother posting about it as it was just one nugget. That was it for me for the day. JW and I were discussing the virus pandemic yesterday morning as NZ has now locked down it's borders, anyone at all who wants to enter the country needs to go into quarantine for two weeks and he suggested we go for an afternoon detect. I was keen for this as I felt my back was ready to use my GPZ again with the extra weight it has so I jumped in my car and went up to JW's house. We decided we'd go back to the same spot as JW had unfinished business at his very productive little spot and I figured I'd go over the same area I was doing with the Equinox to see what I could get out of it. I hadn't completely finished the area with the Nox as my back got too sore to continue that day. I'm still getting the hang of using my GPZ, I haven't had it long and haven't used it as much as I'd like due to my back injury. It's very much a learning curve for me, it's different to using my GPX and QED. For example I only really learnt yesterday the left and right of the coil are the hot spots, not the center like on my GPX with spiral coils as I was confused recovery targets they were never where I expected them to be 🙂 After a bit of practice with it I've settled on my general settings of HY / Normal with gain of 20 and smoothings off, this seems comfortable enough for me to use in the spots I've tried so far. Everything else is on defaults. I did the ground balance over the ferrite at the start of the day seeing some people say it's necessary, I'm not convinced in my soils it will make a difference but it can't hurt so why not do it. I guess this would be considered balanced to the ferrite? I have no idea, remember I am new the the GPZ but seeing it was setting it off loudly before balancing and afterwards it was like this I can only assume It's done. I'm pretty happy with how the GPZ runs as I was very close to JW, about 60 foot I guess away from his GPZ and they don't seem to bother each other much. I could hear JW chipping away at his cliff edge and I had myself what appeared to be a good target in some bedrock (in the above video you'll also hear JW chipping away at the bedrock), I was confused trying to target where in the rock I needed to smash and couldn't locate where the target was, the rock was solid hard rock and hitting it with my pick wasn't doing much. I went over to JW and asked if he'd mind helping, he came over and we attempted to get the bit of gold out, I'd been at it for about 20 minutes already and with JW's assistance and another 15 or so minutes we had smashed it out, JW instructed me on following the lines in the schist to try smash it out in the layers, working my way from the edge to where the nugget is. My Davsgold Gold Digger pick was copping a beating taking on this rock but I had no choice. My hand didn't enjoy it either, hitting the rock with the pick was hard work 🙂 You can see here I'd been smashing out layers of it to try get to the spot with the gold. I was originally a bit confused with where the gold was, thinking it was in a big crack in the bedrock, but it turned out it wasn't in the crack but in the rock itself. That's the crack I cleaned out above, and the smashed out rock below trying to get to it. A few more king hits with rock flying everywhere and the target was out, but it disappeared, we could not find it anywhere!!!! All that work and it was gone. We detected all around the area and the only thing we could find was an odd bit of magnetic metal in the rubble below the rock, at first we thought it was a bit off my pick but it was weird and one side smooth and shiny. When I got home and put it under my phones microscope I found it's slightly magnetic, you can see the black sand and also a little bit of a metal substance stuck to it. Very weird, this likely came out of the rock as it wasn't there prior to breaking up the schist. We assumed that was the target in the rock and JW went back to his spot to resume his gold recoveries 🙂 I wasn't ready to give up and kept detecting around the area thinking maybe there was still a bit of gold that flung out of it and about 5 minutes later I had it! A little nugget was sitting on the surface. This sun baker had to be my nugget from the rock, it's VERY unlikely there would be a sun baker here. I continued detecting the area for the rest of the afternoon, I was digging a lot of junk, mostly shotgun pellets and little shards of metal and all the ferrous targets I'd left behind using the Nox with it's discrimination 🙂 I had another target I was so sure was going to be gold, I was clearing away the surface soils and the target was down in the bedrock again.... I was so sure it was going to be gold seeing it was in the bedrock I took a video of the target. But no, after smashing out the bedrock the only thing I could find was a damn shot gun pellet that had made itself down into the crack in the bedrock! That damn little pellet was down in that crack! I think it's a steel one too. I called it quits after that one and decided I'd go have a drink and snack and watch JW for a while and see what I could learn, at this point he'd come over to my spot as he was sick of chipping away at the rock in his area and the lucky bugger found two bits of gold in an area I'd been over with my Equinox the week before, I wasn't sure if I went over it with my GPZ but I am pretty sure I had not. The target signals on his GPZ with 10" X-coil were very good, stood out like dogs nuts so there is no way I'd miss them. So my total for the afternoon A bucket load of junk, mostly pellets and little bits of metal And one nugget for 0.086 of a gram. I'll take it, I'm still continuing my pattern of not getting a skunk since getting the GPZ... Before getting the GPZ I regularly found no gold, since getting it I always find at least 1 piece every time I go out.
  35. 15 points
    Tuesday was a great motivator even though the gold was rather small and I didn’t find a whole lot it was still good fun, so I found myself pondering things over my first cup of coffee and decided the location warranted further attention and was a good opportunity to try out a few different ideas. The trying out of ideas in combination with the sensation the place wasn’t played it out is half the fun I feel.😎 First target, a deep one, kicked the euphoria off nicely especially as it was getting up in size and not just a light weight “picker”. This one was a good one to play around with Audio Smoothing and Sensitivity to see how they interact with each other on an undug target. I found myself coming back to Smoothing OFF and Sensitivity conservative. I also played around with High Yield Normal and even though the ground could handle HY Normal the target signal was seriously degraded by that mode so once again reverted back to Difficult. You can see the old timers shaker pile in the foreground, the two deep ones from the last session were further back towards the drainage. Interestingly on half ounce nuggets High Yield and General Difficult produce a much better target signal in just about any ground compared to Normal, this was also true for the GPX 5000 as well as Steve Herschbach will attest when we tested an un-dug half ounce piece in WA years ago. This is commonly known as a “hole” in the timings and is the price we pay for being able to balance out ground signal and also just the nature of how the two channels work in relation to each other. For some reason half ounce sluggy gold tends to present MUCH better to the Smooth class of timings. This means it pays to go over your deeper ground even if the soil conditions do not require Difficult in case there is a sluggy piece still hiding there. The West Australian Adventure part 4 The West Australian Adventure part 5 I learned a lot with this little nugget and also reaffirmed my ideas around sensitivity and Audio Smoothing OFF. Onwards and upwards the next signal 15 minutes later put an instant smile on my dial, that lovely low high with a touch of complicated signal was the next cab off the rank, once again I had a play with a few ideas and concepts including a bit of coil interchanging and settings tweaking. Some nuggets produce a really weird ‘tail out’ response that seems to put the centre of the target at a completely different location to where you know in your heart it really is. I put this down to the complexity of the signal and how it interacts with the High/Low and Low/High channels. You can hear the pitch change on the lead in but the strongest volume change seems to be delayed away from the epicentre a little like using as poor quality blue tooth set that has a crappy amount of delay. I find these sorts of targets fascinating. This one put the strongest part of the signal a full coil width to the left on the tail out and even though I knew this was happening I still started digging well to the side of the actual target position. It’s kind of like having your mouth numbed after a dentist visit and trying to drink water while the needle is still in effect, your mind knows how to control the muscles to perform the task but there is no sensory input to tell you what is actually going on ending in you dribbling down your chin, trying to whistle creates the same “stroke like” effect.🤪 I visualise it being akin to sliding two magnets past each other with the same poles, they tend to slip away when you get them close and no amount of input from you can get them to not resist each other, the target signal seems to do the same thing, slipping past and peaking in the wrong place on the tail out without you being able to control it, even though you know in your heart of hearts it’s WRONG.😬 I listen for the ‘magnetic repel signal’ a lot when looking for gold, that slippery warble signal is a sure sign there’s a piece of gold laying down deep messing with the surface tension of the Rx, especially with the GPZ and SuperD coils. Plucky little solid 2 gram piece, quite deep for its size, took a few different pictures at different angles for comparison. Your can clearly see where I started to clear to the left but ended up getting the nugget way over to the right. Width of cleared ground indicates the ”range of motion” required to get the target to manifest properly. Next signal was a tiny little pip of a thing that barely broke the threshold, but it was repeatable. Always pay attention to repeatable signals because sometimes edge of detection targets can be just a murmur that does not go away. Careful scraping of the surface layer brightened the signal a lot and subsequent digging and then oohing and arghing had me smiling at the depth of this little tacker, definitely not throwing it back even though my pocket book barely bumped when it landed. Note the blood red country rock layer, this is the fluidised material that the gold is shedding out of, with the talc like upper layer weathering out of more benign sandstone country rock further upslope. The old boys dug down into this when mining it so it ends up in the surface gravels on the shaker piles. The country rock (a very coarse grained, schist like interleaved highly weathered shear zone) is extremely noisy and mineralised so obviously has a very high iron content due to all the alteration and weathering. In the shallow sections the GPZ warbles away, the audio tweaking constantly from all the highly magnetic materials, one of the reasons why I use Audio Smoothing OFF so I can hear this behaviour, a sure sign of gold mineralisation being present. The rest of the session I just worked all the likely locals in a 100 metre arc and was disgusted to discover the pig with the machine had been pushing in the old timers dry blow piles. I took great pleasure in pinging a really deep piece in their push. That’s two of my gold spots receiving unwanted attention now, so I am starting to wonder how wide spread this sort of activity actually is. All of it is illegal and potentially ruinous for our General Permission areas, I hope the fleas of a thousand camels set up permanent camp in their undershorts!!😡 All in all it was a great morning and a lot of fun, finding gold always is. And more importantly I learned something and was able to strengthen up my personal approach to techniques and settings etc, these things help immensely with your confidence levels, all of us need reassurance even the more experienced guys.🤫 Having faith in your gear and confidence in what your doing then having that validated by a positive experience is 90% of successful metal detecting.😇 JP Gold found for the session
  36. 14 points
    Went to Oregon on Saturday and scored one of these babies. I don't find them often (less than 10 in 40+ yrs of MD'ing) but when I do, it puts a smile on my face. Pay attention to those little odd finds so you don't throw them out. I'd love to see some of the ones you other hunters have saved, so please show some pics. I'm sure the Aussies have a few as well. Last pic shows the weight.
  37. 14 points
    I have yet to find a scale weight, but many years ago I and my wife dug out the inside of this cabin and we found in pieces of a old gold scale. I eventually restored it and now I display it our finds cabinet.
  38. 14 points
    My good friend RJ was scouting an area to detect and his eye catches something not so normal. Very cool video and heck of a history save.
  39. 14 points
    Yesterday's gold ring was found on the second dig of the day. Today's was literally the first dig of the day. It was in the grassy area where people sit and eat concession food by the fields I hunt around home. It was a 10-11 on the display, and I was using the same settings as yesterday. It is 14K.
  40. 14 points
    Yesterday was a bit of fun but not very profitable.🤫 I zigged and I zagged but just could not get onto anything of any size so these little tackers were all I could manage for the rattle jar.😬 So instead I’ll post some pics of some of the things I’ve been up to gold wise over the summer starting with a nice big Brown snake that was sunning itself, these guys are best left alone for all the obvious reasons. A few days later I actually trod on a 2 footer in some grass which had me doing the highland fling and him slithering down into some tree roots, I think we both had to change our undershorts that day (I’ve only trod on 2 snakes in my whole career so its not a common event).🥴 The world has been twitchy as heck with all sorts of scary stuff going on, as a result the gold price has continued to climb so all those little bits I keep finding decided to leap into my dolly pot and get crushed then melted into bush buttons so they could be sent off and refined. A fair bit of the gold I get is scrappy in nature along with a fair few specimens thrown into the mix, these are the mainstay of my cash flow. So a potato is cut in half and a spoon used to dish out the centre where you place your dollied and washed gold, a liberal sprinkle of borax is applied and then an Oxy acetylene torch is brought to bear till they all surrender and coalesce into a golden metal ball ready to be sent to my refiner. The potato resists burning due to its starchy nature and just smoulders instead, allowing me to do 2 or 3 one ounce bush buttons before they get too thin. Some of these went into the acid to be cleaned up as trophy nuggets. So yes the tiny bits do add up over time and my credit card and my still too dependant sons appreciate the way it deals with the bills. 🤪 Not so scrappy now Till next time JP
  41. 14 points
    Hopefully this latest plague will pass without terrible cost to us all; Many normal activities will likely be impacted and perhaps restricted. but then there is us - solitary headphones on - interacting with no one - just doing our thing. Great plan for avoiding a virus transmitted by touching or breathing in near discharged aerosol virus. Metal Detecting is a great survival strategy!!
  42. 13 points
    Went out for a couple hours on Sunday night (looks like daytime, but the lights were on on the field) to the local football field where there have been other goodies found. This is the third time out with a gold ring in the pouch on the way home. I really like how the 15" covers the ground and sings out on rings. This is 10K with a single diamond. Running Park 1, 18 sensitivity, ground balanced, all metal, 50 tones, and 0 iron bias. This rang in a strong 9 and 10. I knew it was a good possibility when I stopped to dig it based on the solid numbers and the tone.
  43. 13 points
    Time to strap on the 17". I was given this coil free by the manufacturer. I think I've made it pretty clear at this point that my opinions are my own and I'm not afraid to say exactly what I think though, even if it's not something people want to hear. But first, here's a great view of an arm of Lake Mead from the top of the Lost Basin range, my land is about 10 miles to the left. I love this area, it's stark and rough and beautiful. A few spots in the US really give me a sense of peace and being...San Juans in CO, Wind Rivers in WY, and Gold Basin here in AZ. It used to be solitary too but that's slowly changing, still not much development out here yet though. Vegas is behind the mountains in the distance. Almost all cacti species are native to the Americas, aside from a couple rare outliers. This one is a cholla, and I hate them so very, very much. Those who prospect in AZ know why, especially if you have a dog or like putting your hand on the ground to stabilize yourself. Joshua Trees are more noble, and they only poke your eyeballs out if you don't wear glasses. Back to detecting. I decided to go with the 17" after determining I wasn't getting much advantage running the 17x12, and knowing from past experience how deep the washes were that I planned to hit and that I hadn't found much under 1/4 gram in the past so I didn't want the 10X here. These are 2 "patches", or really just washes, which I found myself and was clearly the first and only coil over. One wash produced about 4 ounces, including a 29 grammer, 19 grammer, and a 12 grammer, two 7 grammers, all deep. The other wash produced about 1.5 ounces of mostly 1/2 gram to 2 gram pieces. I detected each of these washes 6-8 times with the GPZ/Z14, and one of them I found in 2014 and had hit with my 4500 and 17x11, 14x9, and 18" round. As you can see, it's not the type of ground anyone would normally use a 17" round in. Rocky. I felt as if there were no diggable signals left with the Z14, so they were good places to start with the 17" to guage performance. I ran the same settings as I used with the Z14 and I keep a record of all my finds and my settings on Google Earth for future reference - 18 gain, 12 thold, low smoothing, HY, Normal. There are BIF and magnetite chunks here, and a lot of places get pockets of black sand which make the wash bottom hot. But I still classify this as mild conditions. The 17" really isn't a whole lot bigger than the Z14 when it comes down to it, and I can still nose it into the rocks, and glide over them. Ideal? Not at all. Did it work? Yes. Within 10 minutes of poking, prodding, and gliding over rocks, I had a nice signal. Not subtle, but very clear and repeatable. And it was literally right within view of a place I have in a video with no signals on the Z14. I'm confident I hadn't heard this one before. Kicking rocks out of the way and then digging through about 12" of dirt, I pulled out a 1 grammer. It's towards the bottom of my fingers in the middle of my hand if you look close. And about 5 feet further up the wash and to the side I got another great signal, unmistakable and in a place I've hit with the Z14 numerous times. Another 1 grammer with lots of hematite and quartz. And again, 15 or 20 feet further up, and under a pile of rocks and 10" or so deep, I get another one. Caught this in situ as it was wedged into caliche. Pulled it out, this time it was 1.5 grams or so, I forgot the exact weight. Between the dirt depth and the stack of small boulders that was sitting on top of it, it was probably 14-16" or so down. The stack of rocks on top had surely hidden it just an inch or so out of range of the Z14, but the 17" round was able to ping it. Here is the hole, the rocks I tossed off the top are out of the photo, but it was like a little waterfall of 10"-16" rocks that were high enough to just put this target out of range previously. A smaller coil wouldn't have helped because there was no open spaces to shove the coil into, it was the larger coil with greater depth that was able to hear this nugget under the rock pile that succeeded. Most of the targets I was finding seemed to be getting hit like this. I know it looks like the Z14 should have hit a target like this, and I feel the same way, but somehow over multiple passes I never heard these targets. This was maybe 1 hour of detecting so far. And I was thinking at this point I was going to pull an ounce out of this "dead" wash at this rate. But that's where everything dried up. The wash flattened out, the big rocks decreased, and I didn't find much else for another hour or so until I pinged anothe 1 grammer about 10" deep. No idea why I didn't hear this on my Z14 on prior passes, it was a great signal. I believe it was standing vertically though. Finally when it was getting close to the time to hike back to my truck, I hit one more umistakable signal. Here's what it sounded like after a small bootscrape for those wondering what the signals sound like on the 17" which the Z14 couldn't hear at all. Solid, repeatable, and a definite dig me. These X Coils sharpen up signals to me a lot. This signal was more or less near the center of the wash, in a flat area that I must have detected 6 or 8 times with the Z14, no chance I didn't run over this since the wash is only 5 or 6 ft wide at this spot. This coil is just getting an extra 1-2" of depth on 1 grammer type stuff and if you find a spot that has a lot of nuggets left in that additional sweet spot, success will follow. Washes without that magic formula produce little to nothing. And here is the nugget which was making that signal. It was about 13-14" deep and sitting right on caliche. And the total take for the day, almost 5 grams of missed nuggets. This is a profitable day for me, I try to make 2 grams minimum average per day when I'm on a detecting trip. More washes like this would pay to revisit, so I tried again the next day on a 2nd wash, and I'll make another short post on that. Overall, I'm impressed with the 17". Prior to this, I had used it only in wide open, flat areas. But I figured why not give it a go in a rocky wash where there was a history of larger, deeper stuff. This is where it REALLY helps to be the one who first found the wash, and who knows exactly what type of gold was found and how deep, otherwise I'd waste my time and my arm strength running a coil like this over random rocky washes for no reason. This is why people who were around in the early days have such a large advantage of those who started later, and it's hard to truly understand how large that advantage is until one makes finds in a new area themselves. Anyways, the 17" doesn't feel a whole lot heavier than the Z14, just slightly. I can swing it for a good amount of time without using the guide arm and not get fatigued. This coil to me fulfills the promises of what the Z19 should have been. It's more sensitive than the Z14 even on the 1/4 gram type stuff, and definitely gets up to 2" or so more depth on the 1+ gram stuff. One thing is that this coil is so sensitive that keeping my phone in my upper jacket pocket is no longer possible. And the small metal piece at the bottom of my boot zipper is now really annoying where as it's almost inaudible on my Z14 unless I get close. I really find myself needing a longer shaft on the GPZ with the coil too, for those reasons and also because it doesn't get far enough out from my feet to prevent me from stepping on the coil. I'm only 6ft tall, ML just needs to start making longer shafts for future machines. Also, properly noise cancelling with this coil is essential. It'll pick up EMI like crazy if you detect wash sides, but I was able to mitigate most of that by noise cancelling multiple times through the detecting session. I can get away with once a day with the 12" round, or sometimes forget to noise cancel entirely. No way with this 17". That is to be expected of any big coil though, bigger antenna for EMI. I really have no complaints or suggestions for improvement on this coil at all, it does what I expect it to do and it's definitely got a place in my arsenal now. The edge sensitivity is great, and the coil hits small stuff and deep big stuff alike. This is the first time I've really felt like I'm finding stuff I couldn't have found somehow with my Z14/GB2 combo. I feel most these targets would have been inaudible at any setting on the Z14.
  44. 13 points
    Bill - regarding salt in wet soils in NNV, I haven't run this coil up there yet. But my feeling after running it over a patch of heavily alkaline soil in Gold Basin which I also ran the Z14 over is that it's more or less equal with regards to salt response, if not a little noisier on salt. But it's also more sensitive to tiny bits of gold. Sort of the snake eating it's tail, we can't have more sensitivity to gold without gaining sensitivity to salt since they are both conductive. I have business in Wyoming which requires me to cut my trip short, but if that changes then I will try to stop in NNV for a week on my drive home, and I have the 17x12, 10", and 17" round with me which I can test out. I'd be curious how the 10" does up there. JP - I definitely agree with regards to smoothing. However, I'll be the first to admit I detect lazily in general, I usually sacrifice a bit of accuracy in order to improve speed, especially in cases like this trip where I only have a few hours to detect. I can bump up sensitivity in this mild soil with zero ill effects so it was no prob running 20, I mostly just want to smooth out any noise because my brain gets easily distracted and wants to slow down and investigate every single subtle break in the t-hold. I'd have to kick back gain to like 5 or something to get a similar smooth threshold and I feel I get better performance by using low smoothing instead. If filtering out all of that noise means I miss a couple extremely subtle or complex gold signals then I generally accept those losses in return for being able to cover more ground. I'm definitely not recommending this for anyone, I just use it when the losses are acceptable to me. I know patch cleaning requires running with no smoothing to really pick up the subtle signals, and there is definitely a time for that. For some, that time is always. But in the case of a long stretch of wash and small amounts of time, often I just want to hear the absolute, unmistakable signals in order to spend my usually limited time wisely. To me the perfect detector is just entirely silent, always, on everything except gold. You would hate me if you heard how low I run my threshold sometimes in conjunction with low smoothing, by choice. I know it goes against everything I should be doing, but that's my general style I guess - I also rarely keep my coil absolutely flat, I'm often poking, prodding, angling, and doing anything I can to get a signal to change in some fashion so I can hear if it's worth digging or not. I'm sure that causes me to lose gold as well as I ignore some signals I should dig. I am the opposite of textbook detecting in many respects, but somehow it works for me. However, I do fully agree with what you are saying that some nice, subtle gold signals will never break through the threshold at all if one is running smoothing, no matter how high the gain. When I'm really working a patch and not just out and about or exploring, even though it tests my patience, my threshold rarely goes below 24 and I run in no smoothing. Largely a result of reading your posts early on during the release of the GPZ in 2015, going out and trying to replicate what you said, and seeing the difference in front of me.
  45. 13 points
    I've been having great success detecting. Always check your hole, I found 2 targets in this hole.
  46. 13 points
    This mornings effort started out late so only a few hours targeting some deco clays. This ground is hard work and you really need to focus, hence my fatigue now that the session is over. Some pics of the waxy gravels (colloidal clays) and deco with nuggets encased. I think at some stage this country has seen some glaciation way back in the distant past. Who know’s it once might have been as mountainous as NZ and these flat Nuggies were locked up in the slates before the country flattened off to what it looks like today. JP
  47. 13 points
    Used machines are great, especially with remaining warranty. The problem is it in effect opens it back up to most any detector since people can sometimes get expensive detectors at an amazingly good deals. I like the idea of a thread about what are the best deals in use detectors, and the place for that will be the Advice and Comparisons Forum. I suspect it will just be all the same machines people buy new though. A used Equinox cheap with two years remaining warranty versus one never used, for instance. We have a forum for manufacturers that have gone out of business.... obviously that would only be used models. And then as GB notes above there are forums for each existing brand in anyone wants to post about older models. Used detectors are not forbidden here.... if the machine was purchased new 10 years ago at under $400 that's fine also. Try to understand the main intent here. Many people just seem to think that you can't be successful metal detecting unless you have a so-called top performing detector. That's nonsense. It's a type of snobbery and elitism that drives away people whose lives don't revolve around metal detectors or who have to stay to a very tight budget. The Aussie gold forums back in the day left a distinct impression on me. People would drop in with a VLF and mention it, and immediately get told that if they did not have a high priced Minelab PI they were wasting their time. They were just dumped on and nearly all were never seen again, despite the fact that it was VLF detectors that started the Australian gold rush in the first place. I guess my idea here was to not try and help you forum old timers, it was to try and help people who have an Ace 150. Or rather than push the $400 limit with the reasons why performance oriented people HAVE TO HAVE THIS FEATURE, celebrate the models that do not. I think the Vanquish 340 is a killer detector, but most of you would spend your time telling me it's not right for you. That is because you are on the wrong forum! If cutting edge performance and features matter to you, then you are kind of missing the point here. I'd much rather have a new poster show up who has an Ace 150 or Vanquish 340 and work with them on how to get the best out of those detectors, not immediately make them feel like they are dumb for not having and Ace 300 or Vanquish 540 simply because those can be had for under $400. The forum was just a spur of the minute idea and basically an experiment. Maybe no owners of lower priced detectors will show up here. One thing I love about the forum software is I can change and move things at will. If this does not work out I can just distribute the threads to other appropriate forums at some point, or remold this into wherever it seems it is heading towards anyway.
  48. 12 points
    Yesterday I managed to get out to the beach and keep my social distance from the others and most of the targets. There has not been much sand movement except to deposit and sand in my Southern California beaches. I was at the black sand line and got a 15 and hoped it would be better than just the couple of pennies I had found and it was. It is like a thin silver wire ring. I haven't gotten one quite like it before. I was pretty much done with the beach soon after that find and on my way out I detected near a lifeguard station. The station had been place up on a mound and a dozer had been used to scrape up the sand. That made the surface I was detecting about 1 ft below normal. I got a dime signal with the Nox 800 and I kept digging and digging until I was down a foot. Out pops this silver band that weighs just 1.86g. The other items are just a collection of recent finds and still some others are just to show unsorted containers from trips in the most recent past. The hand is there to give it scale! haha
  49. 12 points
    JW contacted me in the morning saying he's got the day off work so if I wanted to go for a detect jump in my car and head on over to his place. This is always a hell yes from me, the world would have to be ending to stop me.... oh uhm... whoops 🙂 maybe more than the world ending. We were going back to the exact same spot we were at the previous mission so figured I'd either use the 15x10" X-coil or the 10" X-coil, but because the area is very rocky I went with the 10", you need as small of a coil as possible for this terrain. The 10" can get into some pretty tight spaces. Gold here would be missed with any bigger of a coil. JW noticed our Davsgold picks looked a little different, this is odd as we both have the same pick so we compared them The years of wear on JW's pick is pretty evident, his pick has gone through hell smashing up schist for years 🙂 He needs to give it a sharpen, the sharp point on mine is very handy. I've also upgraded the magnet I had on my pick, it's been excellent. I drilled out a 30mm deep by 20mm round hole in my pick and dropped the strongest magnet I could buy into it with the same dimensions. Now not only is the base of my pick magnetic, the sides are too, it sucks up ferrous junk like mad. I'm very happy with it. I can move the black sand around on it 🙂 JW was back detecting his highly productive cliff edge armed with his hammer and screwdriver, so I figured I'd go back and check around where I was the other day. It wasn't long and I had a very faint signal, a few scrapes and the signal improved. The bedrock in this spot is about 4 to 9 inches down. It turned out to be quite a nice bit of gold down in the bedrock that required breaking up some bedrock to get to it. For the first time I managed to record a good part of the find on video as I was so confident it was going to be gold. I've wanted to capture a find on video for a long time. Here is a photo of the spot I got it, it was actually quite deep, and the gold was on edge, it's a very skinny bit. My biggest of the day. I spent the next hour or so checking the area slowly. Plenty of pellets but nothing else. I moved back down towards the little gully JW was detecting and on the path we bike in I had a signal, I'd done this path bit the other day with the Nox, I'd spent an hour or two on this small area with it but I missed this piece, maybe just too deep for the Nox. Down through the gravels to the bedrock again. Almost like a little ball 🙂 This round gold is common in this spot, JW's been getting a lot of it. I then realized I forgot to balance to my ferrite ring, seeing I'd gone from the 12" to the 10" X-coil I thought I may as well do it. Again I don't know if I am balanced to it being new to the GPZ but I did the procedure and the noise of the ring all but disappeared after a couple of sweeps over it. The day was getting pretty exciting, I was hoping for a 3rd but for the next few hours I got nothing but pellets... I had a break and drink and watched JW for a while, I usually learn a few things doing this and I was able to see his coil control is far better than mine, he drives that thing around keeping it so close to the ground hugging the rocks while checking the bedrock cracks. The cracks in the bedrock like in this photo can contain gold, but you have to check the entire rock as the gold has proven it can be anywhere in the rock in healed over cracks. As the day was coming to an end I went over to a spot that chased JW away with the abundance of pellets there, they were everywhere!!!! It paid off though, my final nugget for the day This is up on a bedrock ledge, the ground is 10 to 15 feet below where this little ledge is and down deep in the gravels was a bit of gold........ and about 8 pellets 🙂 The gold had a louder and more distinct signal than the pellets. Another ball type bit. And now the weigh in..... My junk Not as bad as last time, I'd already done a lot of the cleaning of the area 😉 Not too bad 🙂 I haven't had three in a while. Almost worth celebrating with a beer at the pub
  50. 12 points
    Dogodog, I have tried panning in the past and almost always don’t find much fine gold at all. These little tackers are liberally scattered around a reclaimed area where the bulk of material was removed and put through a wet plant 30 or 40 years ago, the spot would originally have had old timers diggings on it. Every time it rains hard here the place gets revitalised with tiny little water worn pieces ending up on the surface within detection distance. There is very little trash just a section of pale wash over a 50 square meter area, with light pastel coloured sandstones as the basal material which has been producing for me since 1994 when I first discovered it with my Whites Goldmaster VSat, it’s memorable because it was the only place I was ever able to run sensitivity flat out!🤫 From memory I had an absolute ball pulling over 90 pieces for around 1/2 an ounce with the biggest being 1 gram (a monster for that spot), the $250 I made there was the icing on the cake and kept us going for a while. Hard to believe 1/2 an ounce is now worth $1250!!!😜 It’s locations like these that formed the foundation blocks of my detecting career, being able to lock in and focus with VLF detectors when your next feed depended on it was a good grounding that has carried me since 1987. TBH early memories like these seem to have more meaning for me than some of the later successes where many hundreds of ounces were involved, life seemed purer and more simple in the VLF days, every little nugget counted and had immeasurable importance and meaning, I truly miss those days it was scary as hell!!☺️ The whole point of this post was to try and “get off the roundabout“ and away from equipment being used and instead focus on the experience and the results, which is why I edited the pictures. There is no need for speculation because my post isn’t anything to do with that, I’m not making any claims or pitching any product here just sharing an experience. I see other members struggles on the forum when trying to find a piece or two and hope that my experiences (which I often take for granted) can enthuse others. In this case I just targeted an area and used the best equipment for the job at hand, I’m fortunate because thanks to the shop and my field testing job I have a plethora of detector equipment choices on hand, some readily available and some not, as an example I still have my prototype Equionox which works really well here (probably the best VLF gold hunting experience I have ever had at this location, especially the small 6” coil). This location has seemed played out to me many times over the past 26 years and many years have gone by between visits, it still looks exactly the same and has seen plenty of attention from other detector operators, especially the SDC crowd, in those intervening years. And yet it still produces, in the more benign spots they are getting thin on the ground but as modern technologies have improved I’ve been able to venture out into the nastier ground with the same or similar sensitivity used in the quieter sections, extending the boundaries. What I would have given for such detectors and equipment back in those heady formative years🤩, but then again maybe not, I’m pretty certain it was the trials and struggles and subsequent successes that moulded me into what I am today. Certainly it’s those formative years that I draw from when I target an area again, thanks to those wonderful early days the expectation is always positive even if I find nothing. JP
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