6000 Vs Z7000 With X-coils Combo

[Norvic]

Whoops JP we posted together again must get a apX satellite? For me until the 6000 has comparable coils to my Z/X combo and the 6000 shows it has depth of the Z/X on the larger stuff I`ll be keeping Z.

[mn90403]

I think the dead horse is still going to be beat more!  Hasn't it all been said?  As JP said ... different detectors ... same words.

[araratgold]

What I got out of the Fat Bastard video was how smooth the ZED with 17 CC was, and how bloody ratty the 6K was ! Numerous others have also made mention of the speaker / EMI problem, requiring numerous noise cancels ! If the little 11 inch is that bad for EMI, how bad will the 17 inch be ?

Also, the ZED smashed the target over the spinifex, the 6K couldn't hear it, and could barely hear it even at ground level in difficult !

I questioned FB about why it was so ratty, and he stated it was being driven flat out. So why then did it not get the nugget over the spinny, and could barely get it at ground level ??

This is a confirmed list of shortcomings / observations so far :

Huge depth loss with the DD on deeper larger targets.

DD is heavy, requiring a bungy if you are using it for extended periods.

DD does not discriminate ! WHY did they remove that ability ??

The mono coil can not be put into cancel mode and used for pinpointing large targets. WHY did they remove that ability ??

No ability to change the threshold tone, to suit various hearing problems. WHY did they remove that ability ??

Can not use the existing aftermarket coils. You are locked into Minelab's limited coil selection, and let's face facts, Minelab have NEVER built the best coils ! WHY did they remove that ability ?

EMI problems.

The plastics used on the coils are very soft and easily scratched, someone has gone through a skid plate already !

Threshold OFF is not really off, because you can still hear the EMI squeaks.

Users are reporting a lot of ground noise with the 11 mono.

The reality is that it is only 300 grams lighter than the current GPX, although they are selling it as if it is super light.

The shafts and coil mount look flimsy, will they survive the test of time ?

$8K for that, no thanks !!! 

Ps : Check out this video, where the reporters at the end describe the ZED vs 6K as Godzilla vs Bambi !

Rick

[Mike C...]

In the vids Ive seen so far the 6000 sounds just like a warblelly 2300-thats one thing that drove me nuts when I had my 2300-very unstable-Buttt with that said I think the 6000 will be a big hit because of its simplicity just like the GM 1000-makes newbies chances of hitting gold a whole lot easier-

[Jonathan Porter]

Anyone using the inbuilt speaker doing a comparative video, especially using a phone or Go-Pro as the camera is just asking for trouble with the GPX 6000, so watchers should take any such video with a grain of salt.? You would be VERY surprised how much EMI or unstable threshold KILLS performance especially on a HIGHLY sensitive detector like the 6000, so to me the comparison videos are not even relevant compared to actually using the 6000 properly/seriously.  

Yes we can call the instability with the speaker a design flaw if you like (BTW it has nothing to do with what coil is attached), I personally could give a rats arse, it is what it is!! ? It’s common knowledge now so keep using the speaker if you must.?

The 11” skid plate cover is built nearly as tough as the SDC covers so someone wearing through one already is basically abusing their detector AFAIC!!? X coil skid plates will last a 10th of the time if treated the same!! ?

In all the testing I’ve done I’ve had ZERO issues with the shafts and knuckle joints!! They are by far the most durable and light weight shafts I have ever used!!

Anyone complaining about the lack of Threshold adjustment, Threshold Pitch adjustment or lack of discrimination should instead just go use a GPX 5000 or GPZ7000.

Lastly the DD is designed for Salty ground or High EMI areas, use it for it’s intended purpose and see how deep other detectors or coils compare in the same environment!!  It’s all relevant to the location and a no-brainer surely? ? ?. The GPX 6000 with DD coil poops all over the 7000 in high EMI areas or Salty ground types.

JP

 

[mn90403]

I guess there is some life in the old horse!

[afreakofnature]

Some of us need videos to see products before purchasing.  Especially large purchases and since there are no dealers within a ~13 hour drive.  Most people with a brain should be able to pick out the flaws in the videos but they still provide information and you get to see the products in use.  Combine that with in-depth reviews and you can make informed decisions.

[PeterInSa]

Like the Vid above, Thanks for posting.

Re the 6000 and Ground Noises and Hot Rocks, with more sensitivity, am probably going get some of this with a 10 Inch Xcoil on my Z, ( minimal with the standard coil) so will be looking at ground balancing on Hot Rocks to minimise it.

[geof_junk]

When it comes to coils, I might not be fully correct but as a rule of thumb the size of the RX (receive) coil is the main factor in depth. The physical size of the coil varies depending on the type of coil. Mono, Double D, DOD, Concentric and Vertical Co-planar RX winding vary compared to the coil dimensions. So if you are comparing depth by coil size then you should use the same style. Mono and Vertical Co-planar have the same size transmit winding same as the coil.(allowing for casing) The DD,DOD and Concentric TX winding are smaller than the coil size. I forgot the Wheatstone (1 large transmit and 4 receive coils) but most of you are to young to know about them (History). The mono has to be tuned by the detectorist  but the other uses the electrical characteristics of the coil design to reduce EMI and ground effects. The lightest would be a mono but the detector will have to cope with EMI and ground effects