Deus 2 V2 Vs. V0.71 (long)

[F350Platinum]

Here we go! 🥳

We had a big rain yesterday while the rest of the Northeast got a big snowstorm. The last few years we have had mild winters here, I'm hoping the trend continues.

Yesterday I rolled my brand new remote and one pair of WSA II headphones back to V0.71 to prepare for this test, I ended up using my old Relic Reaper program that was very successful on V0.71. I put it on the older remote that is on V2, it was difficult because I had to turn off any parameter that didn't exist previously like Audio Filter and Offset Full tones, I set them to 0, so the program was as close to the same as it could be.

My methodology was fairly simple, I grid searched a portion of the field out in front of my house.

My first pass was with V2, I flagged every target that produced a tone other than mostly iron and recorded the IDs.

I then went back with the other remote and a second pair of headphones on V0.71, digging each target and noting its ID and depth.

The soil in this field, like nearly every other permission I have, has no mineralization. There is little sense in telling anyone what my settings were, it was my old successful relic program based on General, today I needed moisture subtraction especially because it rained yesterday and the field was muddy.

I will give up a couple settings however, Sensitivity was at 98 and Reactivity was 0. Maybe extremes for some places but here the machine runs quiet, both remotes ground balanced to 78. There is no EMI.

I flagged 9 targets, and got tired of it. I figure that was a pretty decent sample and it wasn't getting any earlier in the day, rain storms passed by frequently.

Ok, here's the spreadsheet of results, and then I'll give my impressions.

Here's the stuff I dug:

All junk at least to me. Tack studs are everywhere, as are percussion primers, shotgun shells, lead and can slaw. I know how old this area is. 🤣

My post in another thread mentioned that Id be looking for ID changes, increased sensitivity overall, and bump sensitivity.

Previously I tested my new unit and my old unit with the same V2 program, so I'm confident that no hardware was changed perceptibly, and I used the 13" coil both times on the same shaft made by SteveG, just swapped the remote.

ID CHANGES

ID changes can be seen above, IDs are definitely tighter on V2. The scale is different, observations of myself and others here are that some coin IDs changed, but for this I noticed/noted a difference overall. It's right there in the table. 🙂 ID is a hard thing to nail down, with V0.71 there were way more unstable spreads, I took the spread that was repeatable - what any detectorist would use to decide whether to dig or not.

INCREASED SENSITIVITY

I'm very sure sensitivity was increased across all programs, again the table reflects weak and unstable ID's. Sometimes the target at the same sensitivity (98) was strong with V2 and not with V0.71. the next observation takes this a step further:

BUMP SENSITIVITY

The last thing I noticed between the two versions is a definite increase in bump sensitivity. I'm detecting in corn stalks.

Under V0.71 it was barely perceptible, I found today I could hit the ground and stalks, and barely/rarely hear bump tones, either high or low. Under V2 bump sensitivity is much greater. At Sensitivity 98 which is what I used to use all the time here, you'd be like "well, duh", but it's there all the way down to 87 which is about as low as I'll go.

CONCLUSION

I am really glad I have borne the slings and arrows of upgrading to V2. With the addition of High Square Audio, Audio Filter and Offset Full tones, Frequency limiting, expanded range on Audio Response and other improvements, there is no reason for me to hold onto the past or my old programs for that matter.

The bump sensitivity may be a concern to others, but with increased overall sensitivity and tighter ID's I'm sure it can be worked around.

I don't bury coins in my yard, so someone else will have to bear the depth mantle. The D2 has always hit stuff as deep as a VLF will go.

These are live objective results in a live environment - my environment. Take this report for what it's worth to you. 🙂

What did I get for all this work? When setting up my grid flags I dug this snappy button:

Cleaned up:

HTH, GL, HH 🍀

[ColonelDan]

I like the increased tightness of the TIDs.  Your test shows this in spades.   I can attest to the increased sensitivity especially on very small targets from my last beach hunt as I reported.

As for the bump sensitivity of V2.0, I would have to believe this comes with the enhanced overall sensitivity.  I’d also guess that XP will address this in V2.1….just a guess.  

A salute to you sir.  I for one very much appreciate your yeoman’s effort and believe this test of yours will definitely show those who may retain reservations of upgrading that there’s much more upside than downside to V2.0.

Good job soldier….. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 😁😁😁

[F350Platinum]

7 minutes ago, ColonelDan said:

I like the increased tightness of the TIDs.  Your test shows this in spades.   I can attest to the increased sensitivity especially on very small targets from my last beach hunt as I reported.

As for the bump sensitivity of V2.0, I would have to believe this comes with the enhanced overall sensitivity.  I’d also guess that XP will address this in V2.1….just a guess.  

A salute to you sir.  I for one very much appreciate your yeoman’s effort and believe this test of yours will definitely show those who may retain reservations of upgrading that there’s much more upside than downside to V2.0.

Good job soldier….. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 😁😁😁

Thanks Colonel,

I really don't like testing. It was a chore to do this in 40 degree weather with a wind. 😀

But you're right, there are so many new parameters you can change that only make the experience better. My new custom stuff does a much better job overall. 

[ColonelDan]

14 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

My new custom stuff does a much better job overall. 

Mine too!!!👍🏻😊

[Rattlehead]

Thank you for the detailed comparison, 350! All very interesting, especially how much tighter the IDs were. I think I’ll load 2.0 on my WS6 and compare it to .71 on my remote for a while. Thanks again!

[F350Platinum]

2 minutes ago, Rattlehead said:

Thank you for the detailed comparison, 350! All very interesting, especially how much tighter the IDs were. I think I’ll load 2.0 on my WS6 and compare it to .71 on my remote for a while. Thanks again!

Thanks Rattlehead, your caution is justified. 🙂 Looking forward to your input! 👍 

It was quite odd to hear the old program sounding exactly the same under the new operating system. Since none of the ID's and tones were too far off, I almost forgot which version I was using 🤪

For fun and extra laughs I also compared my newer V2 version of the Reaper to the old one, and there I really got the difference. I now know for a fact that I prefer the tones in High Square over Square, it sounds like a mashup of PWM and Square, giving you a lot more tonal expression. The old Reaper sounds like an Equinox save for an up/ down tone on some junk.

I don't use Offset Full tones, but crank audio filter to 5 to get even more distortion in the sound when not over a "pure" target, it helps a bit. I'm also wide open at disc -6.4 because iron is my friend during endless walking through huge fields. If there's nothing to bump, there's... Nothing, and I want to find the iron patches.

All my latest tweaks have come simply from finding an iffy target and fiddling with settings to get the truth out of it. I save that stuff. 🙂

[Lodge Scent]

F350, great post! If you are going to compare versions, that's the way to do it. I was out with V2.0 yesterday and also noticed the increased bump sensitivity. But it's not enough for me to be concerned about.

Cool button ! Can you ID the era?

So do you think the Reaper is back ?

 

Lodge

 

[F350Platinum]

4 minutes ago, Lodge Scent said:

Cool button ! Can you ID the era?

So do you think the Reaper is back ?

Apparently it is a Federal Marine Corps button from the 1830s. Chase got me in the ballpark of the 1850s, and additional searching got me the name and the era in more than one place, so that's my story and I'm sticking to it. 😎 Chase had dug a larger one a few miles down the road. 😀

As to the Reaper, I'm pretty close to a new version on V2, far more conservative and accurate, but it's all out mayhem with no disc or notch.

Geologyhound posted something that jogged my memory regarding iron grunts with good coins, and I recall that behavior as well both on the beach and in the field. It's still a work in progress. 🙂

 

[Sinclair]

Thank you for all your effort!

I've installed V2 instantly after getting the detector - glad I did 🙂

[UKD2User]

It's very good to see some objectivity supporting what I already intuitively 'know' -  or perhaps you could just call it 'confirmation bias' (😁!).  I installed V2.0 as soon as it was available and would not go back to any other version.

I seem to remember reading Tom Dankowski, on his forum, suggesting - in a completely different context - that a certain amount of 'bump sensitivity' is a good thing.  I guess because it shows that the machine is working to the best of its capability.