Manticore Vs AlgoForce 1500

[mn90403]

Is there a thread here that compares these two?  I'm just thinking about the small gold comparison with the M8.  I think Simon is new to both of them if he has an M8.  He was comparing the Manticore to the 800 and some others.  Does Norvic have a Manticore?

 

[Gold Catcher]

Thank you Mitchel. A topic I am interested in too. In particular, how does the PI target ID compare to the Manticore ID for small nuggets in mineralized ground. And at what depth. I said before we should not compare too much detector performances. However, for this one I make an exception. Getting nuggets accurately IDd, or at least clearly separated from small iron/tin trash, is a topic of huge interest, with VLF meters not working very well, doesn't matter what tech.

GC

[mn90403]

Actually without an ID, I'm interested in size and depth.  There is a redundancy in that area I would think of small gold remaining and you are right, one of them should be able to separate the gold from trash.  If we know it does so on the surface without depth then we know.  Knowing is just better in this case.

There are other comparisons of interest also.

[phrunt]

The Manticore will beat the Algoforce and every other PI and GPZ with the most sensitive of sensitive X-coil on tiny gold, that goes without saying, much like all PI's the Algo taps out about about 0.03 of a gram if it's lucky on a nice solid flat chunk, 0.05 is more realistic to get a broader range of nuggets.  The Manticore hits in the 0.00X of a gram.

Now depth is interesting, in air tests the Algo will hit the very small nuggets that it is capable of hitting at very similar depths to a VLF, so how does that translate to in the ground? This we don't yet know however I would expect a PI will hold in ground depth better than a VLF. 

My testing of the Target ID is outstanding, very stable, HOWEVER it's not an iron discriminator, iron could be anywhere, unless you're in a spot riddled with a bunch of the same nails and you work out the ID of those nails then the ID's won't help you much.  I was comfortably able to eliminate 22 shells in this one spot that had a lot of them by ignoring their Target ID, which ironically was 22, yes there is a very small chance a bit of gold in this area may have come up 22, very unlikely though, so I dug everything other than 22 ID's.    Some iron acts odd, with bouncy ID's and regularly hitting 99 ID, whereas from what I've seen so far gold is more stable on the ID's.  Lead pellets also almost exclusively come in at 00 on the ID's whereas MOST gold comes in with numbers, the lower the numbers the smaller or deeper the gold, so some very small gold comes in at 00 too.  I think part of the ID's stability is its non-motion, so you hone in on the target, have it pinpointed perfectly, sit the coil still and the ID locks on, it barely changes and, on most targets, it won't change at all, a solid lock on a number.

Target ID on it is quick and easy to use, so I use it often, just gathering intel at the moment, so I mostly check everything before I dig it.

I'm seeing the Target ID's very beneficial for cherry picking coins, so perhaps pretty cool at a beach.

I think we need more people to get Algo's so we can get a broader range of opinions in different conditions, I'd love to hear how it's going in Western Australia, and parts of the USA, sadly owners so far don't seem the helpful forums/social media type that reveal how they're doing and how it's performing for them.  Hopefully in the next batch which I believe would be due very soon more people get one that are willing to share feedback.

[mn90403]

1 hour ago, phrunt said:

sadly owners so far don't seem the helpful forums/social media type that reveal how they're doing and how it's performing for them. 

I think we would hear from them if it was rubbish!  

They may be the type that are doing quite well with it such as Norvic and they just don't want to give up any advantage by telling someone.  It is an advantage to exploit just as a Z, X-coil or other producer.

[phrunt]

2 minutes ago, mn90403 said:

I think we would hear from them if it was rubbish!  

True that, the loudest voices are the most dissatisfied. 

[Steve Herschbach]

On 2/26/2024 at 6:54 PM, mn90403 said:

Is there a thread here that compares these two?

Actually without an ID, I'm interested in size and depth.

Besides this one? No. The Manticore with M8 coil can hit tinier gold than the E1500. The E1500 will easily hit bigger gold at better depth in highly mineralized ground than the Manticore. In low mineral ground or very trashy ground the case can be made that the Manticore might be the better choice for some people, just like the Equinox 800 has done well for some prospectors. Think deep tailing piles with deep nails and cans or the middle of an old mining camp. And while the E1500 has a discrimination system of sorts it is conductivity based not ferrous vs non-ferrous, and requires target by target analysis. The Manticore you can set for two tone ferrous vs non-ferrous, far more efficient and helpful in true trash scenarios.

It's the same old VLF vs PI story - nothing has changed. People expecting the E1500 to be some new magic wand are barking up the same hopes are going to be dashed tree that grows up every time we see a new model come out.

 

[Gerry in Idaho]

On 2/26/2024 at 7:54 PM, mn90403 said:

Is there a thread here that compares these two?  I'm just thinking about the small gold comparison with the M8.  I think Simon is new to both of them if he has an M8.  He was comparing the Manticore to the 800 and some others.  Does Norvic have a Manticore?

 

Mitchel, Your just the kind of guy who can use an E-1500.  It's priced right and will fit in with all the other gaggle of detectors you have on your Profile.  In fact, does anyone else show as many as you do?

Back to your question, I think for some of us (in the US) it's actually going to take time.  I can easily see this new E-1500 being used in certain old Prospects as Steve mentioned.  One of my favorites is using ID capable detectors in hand workings and tailing piles.  The E-1500 has a few features some of the others do not.  Ergonomics, great coil selection, and Iron ID capabilities. 

Since there are so many soil types and various kinds of gold in the world, not one detector will outshine them all.  We'll have to be patient and learn as they become available and those of us who use them in such situations.

You know me, I'm all about VLF's in some old prospects and have proven to many that depth is a double edge sword, especially for us older folks who just can't dig 2 or 3 foot deep poles all day.