Deus 2 Jumpy Vdi Vs Equinox 800

[Rrnp]

I tested 50 gold pieces, rings, pendants and anything gold, with the Equinox 800 and the Deus 2. The Dues 2 numbers were jumpy just by two or three, but it did sound good on most. The Equinox hit strong on everything with a solid number. On odd shaped and small objects of gold even a small gold chain the Equinox sounded much better.  Both were in Park. Why?????

[Jeff McClendon]

6 hours ago, Rrnp said:

I tested 50 gold pieces, rings, pendants and anything gold, with the Equinox 800 and the Deus 2. The Dues 2 numbers were jumpy just by two or three, but it did sound good on most. The Equinox hit strong on everything with a solid number. On odd shaped and small objects of gold even a small gold chain the Equinox sounded much better.  Both were in Park. Why?????

Equinox 800 has two different Park modes. Which one were you using? Park 2 with all targets accepted would be better than Park 1 since Park 2 has a higher frequency weighting close to 39 kHz and would be my choice if I was testing for various gold targets with many different sizes.

Deus 2 FMF Park mode has a maximum frequency of 24 kHz and has target IDs 23 to 35 notched out by default. Smaller gold targets like chains and micro gold jewelry may have some target IDs in that notched out range and 24 kHz max may not be high enough. I would use one of the Sensitive programs for gold jewelry testing and remove any notches, even 00 to 00 before starting the test.

[Heavy Metal]

The power of multifrequency 🙂

 

We keep equinox on multi.. and he allways hits the strong signal in  fixed VDI, if we talk about the gold, silver or bronze.. Ok, if it is on serious depth.. it can play a little bit.. but it must be a serious depth...

[RickUK]

On 3/17/2024 at 3:47 AM, Jeff McClendon said:

Equinox 800 has two different Park modes. Which one were you using? Park 2 with all targets accepted would be better than Park 1 since Park 2 has a higher frequency weighting close to 39 kHz and would be my choice if I was testing for various gold targets with many different sizes.

Deus 2 FMF Park mode has a maximum frequency of 24 kHz and has target IDs 23 to 35 notched out by default. Smaller gold targets like chains and micro gold jewelry may have some target IDs in that notched out range and 24 kHz max may not be high enough. I would use one of the Sensitive programs for gold jewelry testing and remove any notches, even 00 to 00 before starting the test.

Jeff,some very interesting information regarding Park 2 prog,thanks for sharing that snippet.Thanks again

[NCtoad]

The D2 also has over twice the VDI range of the nox, so I would expect a little more fluctuation on any target, especially something not round or not in the shape of a ring.  

[Steve Herschbach]

Turn down your sensitivity.

”but then I won’t go as deep”

Yes, but you will have stable target id.

”I want stable target id but I don’t want to lose depth by turning down the sensitivity”

That’s nice but target id stability is directly related to mode choice and sensitivity setting. Going for max depth will in most cases cause target id instability. Nearly everything in detecting is a trade and if you push the absolute limit of depth target id accuracy will suffer. The worse the ground, the more true this is. It’s always been that way with metal detectors and always will be.

”yeah but if I lower the sensitivity of my new whiz bang detector now it goes no deeper than this old model”

Metal detectors used to be less powerful and in general manufacturers put high priority on accurate target id. Back in the day you could almost always run sensitivity maxed out with little problem because older models were in effect throttle limited. Now, as we reach the limits of detector depth, manufacturers are making machines that can easily push past the stability red line. Sensitivity controls literally go higher than they used to - the throttle limiters are being pulled off in the name of “more depth.” Yet people in general, not saying you in particular, just users in general, have a fear of backing the sensitivity down. This leads to far more complaints these days about target id stability as people try to run new detectors at sensitivity levels set like they did with some older detector. With all detectors target id stability is a direct detector feedback to you, the user, about the status of your current settings. If the settings are too high, target id will become unstable and the numbers jump around. That is the machine screaming at users “turn down the sensitivity.” So either find the setting that gives you the stability you crave, or push higher and deal with jumpy target id. It’s a choice. If target id stability is the gauge, it is very possible that new machines set to be stable will go no deeper than older machines set to be stable.

[phrunt]

I learnt this the slow and hard way with the Manticore, backed it right down to near half way and found the sweet spot for stability and depth for my needs.

[Bill (S. CA)]

Many good, valid points here.  I'd like to add one more: learn your detector.  Hunt with it a lot.  They are all nuanced and have their quirks be it by sound or TID.  Dig your first 1000 pulltabs and I guarantee you will start picking up on subtle differences between them and potentially good targets. 

For many years I was a one detector guy.  I'd save up my finds and then move up and buy another detector.  But only one because that's all that I could afford.  Now I'm spoiled and have too many choices.  If I was totally honest I'd have to say I haven't learned any of them to the degree that I learned my detectors back in the "I only own one" days.

[midalake]

On 3/21/2024 at 9:12 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

That’s nice but target id stability is directly related to mode choice and sensitivity setting. Going for max depth will in most cases cause target id instability.

Not entirely true in my beach hunting experience and depends on detector. But if someone thinks they can hunt at max sensitivity all the time they would be incorrect.

I will give two examples of different machines. I also have unique insight as I routinely look at fringe targets with more sensitivity in mineralized black sand.  
Equinox, Horseshoe on I can hunt it in 21-22 sens, without driving me nuts. When I look at a fringe targets and go to 23-24 sens there is rarely a target that does not ID better. Be it ferrous or nonferrous.  

Deus 2 hunting 91-93 sens. without driving me nuts. Get a fringe target and go to 94-95 sens and iron will almost always wrap-around more and give stronger nonferrous ID's
Maybe 50% of the nonferrous targets has an increase in sound quality and 50%-ish will hold a better ID. 

But there is no way possible to hunt the Equinox in 23-24 Sens, full time, as well for the Deus 2 at 94-95 sens. 

HH Dave

[UKD2User]

On 3/16/2024 at 9:14 PM, Rrnp said:

I tested 50 gold pieces, rings, pendants and anything gold, with the Equinox 800 and the Deus 2. The Dues 2 numbers were jumpy just by two or three, but it did sound good on most. The Equinox hit strong on everything with a solid number. On odd shaped and small objects of gold even a small gold chain the Equinox sounded much better.  Both were in Park. Why?????

If you were doing air tests then it's difficult to make any meaningful inferences. I find that - in the ground - on good targets in benign conditions at least - the D2 TIDs are every bit as stable as the Nox800 ones - even taking into account that the D2 has two or three times more numbers to choose from! 👍

PS Park mode for the D2 is not super-sensitive to small low-conductors, by default.