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Beach hunters might’ve heard the mighty uproar over at the prospecting side of the forum.. They’ve got their undies all knotted up over their high sensitivity VLF detectors reacting to carbon rods.. As if they’re the only ones.. Whilst Geotech’s excellent video shows that carbon rods don’t react when the detector is in multi-frequency beach mode (where the rod’s signal is nulled out just like a salt signal), not all beach detectorists hunt exclusively in beach mode.. Nor do they just hunt on beaches.. I for one also hunt gold, silver coins and the occasional bit of ‘old junk’ (relics).. I don’t buy any manufacture’s claim that reactive carbon rods only effects a small, easily disgruntled, part of the metal detecting community.. Prospectors are not the only ones who demand the best performance from their tools.. When I read about this ‘problem’ I straight away started to think about ways to fix it.. Even if there's only a slight chance that a carbon rod is gonna make me miss a gold ring (or anything else!), then to hell with it.. To this end, I’ve put the original lower plastic rod back on my Nox 800 (with a carbon fibre upper rod) to serve as my general purpose detector, whilst the fully carbon fibre Nox 600 stays in beach mode as a beach detector until I can get another plastic lower rod for it.. Just like every other detectorist, I don’t want anything to screw up my chances of finding my favourite bit of metal..

NOT IN THE DREAMWIND CANYON JOURNAL : These posts are the result of a conversation with a man named Clint Storm (name slightly altered at his request). I have his permission to write about his experiences in the canyon. Clint explored the canyon alone back in 1980. He is not a prospector or miner but an adventurer. It seems he had heard similar stories about this area from some old timers who had been in there several times and caught the bug to go check it out himself. He actually camped inside the walls of the canyon during the Summer heat and he also knew about the so called secret spring where potable water was available. The first issue he had was with rattlers. One morning he woke up with one of them actually inside his sleeping bag. He was afraid to make a move for fear of getting bit. He said he was forced to lay there in the bag until mid afternoon when the snake finally decided to exit the bag. The temperature had climbed to well over 100 degrees and he was drenched in sweat when he finally got out of the bag. Another time he was climbing a rough outcropping of rock when he heard a thud just behind him. A rattler had struck at his back side and just missed him. He pulled his side arm and shot the snake. He was lucky two times. One night he was sitting in his camp gazing at the stars when he swears something came cruising down into the canyon from maybe a quarter mile to the north. Clint said it was a white glowing disk and made no sound. Then he said the fun started about half an hour later. While he was watching the sky and also the area in the canyon to the north of camp he saw several metallic objects or figures floating through the air about 50 yards away. They looked to be silver in color but at times became transparent. The objects sometimes took the shape of humanoids but also reverted back to oblong shaped things. They floated up the canyon walls and eventually out of sight. He didn't see them for the rest of that night. There's more that Clint told me and I will post it when I have the time.

I tried the setting today on a beach with a lot of black sand. I was surprised by its performance. There was not much on the beach. As I went along for about a half mile, I did become aware of the truncated sound I don't like. It sounds clipped which makes me think I was missing something. I wanted to modify it to something a little more tailed out so I kept everything pretty much the same except I switched to Deep rather than Low Conductors. I was around some targets as I did this and I was digging one of those sounds (turned out to be a rusty stake) and out of the mix the high tone was a little silver ring. (Don't have a picture of it yet.) After that I wondered what standard Deep would be and then I wondered what settings would stay changed in the limits and other things, got lost in the screens without my glasses and just reset! Deep by itself on the way back found a couple of coins but then I was done for the day. I'll have to revisit those settings and maybe put limits up to 5 or ???

Hi Steve G. Thank you for being brave and hanging in there when others on this thread have been over reacting in my opinion and taking this issue way beyond where it needs to be limited to which is specific and as you say a niche situation. I too want one of the partially non-conductive lower rods for my Manticore M8 coil for gold prospecting. There is definitely an issue using the Manticore's gold prospecting mode and its stock CF lower shaft that I would prefer to avoid. I do a ton of mostly coin, jewelry and relic detecting with the Manticore and so I hope everybody hears this Loud and Clear: I am totally, absolutely, 100% fine with the stock carbon fiber lower shafts supplied by Minelab on the Manticore for those detecting purposes. I am sure that your current stock of CF lower shafts would be great too for that kind of detecting. I thought there would never be a VLF detector that could do what the Manticore is doing in the dirt here in Central Colorado. I am up to 58 deep silver coins (mostly Mercury and Rosie dimes) in the last 4 months and most were deep in the 8 to 12" range in really bad dirt and on ground that I had already detected as had many others with previous great detectors like Deus 2, the Equinox series, the CTX 3030 and the Etrac. If there is an issue with CF lower shafts on the Manticore with depth, separation or whatever for this kind of detecting.........I'm simply not buying it. No problem here just like Carl and many others have said. So, if you get coin, jewelry and relic customers wondering WTF as far as using your carbon fiber lower shafts for that kind of detecting, just direct them to this post.

Holy Cow what a can of worms we have to deal with.. LOL... Sorry I missed the party again as I was running around one side of NV to the other for the last 5 days and 1500+ miles on my truck. All efforts were to find a Seated Libert Silver and I got Snake Eyes on the Seated. Anyway, I'm back and reading with enthusiasm all the great comments and potential new options. I just wish it was from Minelab? Yes I was stunned back in March when I got the call from one of my Field Staff Experts. He was so pissed and expecting a Minelab RECALL on the lower shafts of the EQ-900 and Manticore. I really don't blame him for thinking so, but I know Minelab and they will not do such. This is a great opportunity for Steve's Rods or Doc. So before I go much farther and make it seem so unthinkable of what Minelab did to us, I want to share some insight. 1st off. In my experience, the majority of people using a carbon fiber rod will not even realize it's being detected as a metal target . Heck, I've had a Manticore for over a year and never realized it. But I did notice something was not right when Prospecting for Gold. Putting detector down caused signals and chatter, detecting steep incline caused chatter, and hunting tailing piles was the worst. Manticore is the most bump sensitive detector I have ever used. It's so bad, I kept changing coils thinking I had bad coils. Back in the day, when a coil went bad, one of the issues was bump test and if it responded, then it was bad. I feel the majority of people who own an Equinox 900 and or Manticore, will not need to worry as much about the CF lower rods as us Prospectors and that's exactly why I think Minelab will not even raise an eyebrow. As for Minelab and Tom D testing the CF rods and not seeing ANY ISSUES. You folks believing that, go right ahead as I know much better. In fact, if you folks believe it, then you have no issues to deal with and go on your merry way. You see, I've been with Minelab for 25+ years, heck it could be 30 or darn close to it. I have tested many detectors for Minelab and have found issues on a rare occasion. Sometimes they get fixed and others they just roll their eyes at me. Trusting everything about what Minelab says to be truth in my time, has not proven them well. I have been accused of not running detectors properly. I have been told that my detecting style is not normal. I've been told a certain detector, the operator is supposed to use headphones so you don't hear the EMI to make it operate properly (only to have an update later addressing the real issue). I could keep going, but the bottom line is,... I've been swinging detectors near 50 yrs and in that time I've seen change, progress, and technology advances I would have never expected to see when compared to what I swung back in the early 1970s and or even 80's into 90's. In my opinion, Minelab is the best metal sensing detector manufacturer in the world. They have opened so many doors (including mine) and allowed thousands of detectorists to enjoy the Hunt. But in all their fantastic ideas and wisdoms, they are people and do make an occasional mistake, just like the rest of us. In my experience with Minelab and what's different with them, they'll never admit to it. Steve G and his CF rods, are an absolute great product and I applaud him and all his efforts he's put into such. Please don't be upset with him as he's just trying to protect his business integrity, the shafts that so many (thousands of customers) are happily using. Not one of you folks ever complained about this issue out loud, so keep swinging and having fun, it's all good. Sorry folks I ran out of Likes today, so I have yet to read all the comments. Steve G or Doc, please provide this old rough Nugget Prospector a real shaft that does not respond to my EQ-900 and Manticore detector. I'll add some more later.

Went to a small sandbar beach where boats anchor up to enjoy the surroundings. The tally for 4 hours was 42 pull tabs, 24 coins, a little silver star and 1 gold ring. Anxious to get back and finish cleaning it up. Managed to bring a little snack home too! 😁 Was using the new M9 coil on the Manticore.

I took the D2 into my fav 120 yr old park, yesterday. Alot of shade, not a huge sink rate on targets, so there is alot of trash build up . One 30' x 30" area near the band stand, is wall to wall targets, resulting in machine gun audio. I went thru it with the 5 x 8 coil on a different machine, speed cranked up, I think I pulled 8 coins out of the mess. I put the 9 coil on the D2, SS program, reactivity to 4, in 2 hrs I pulled out 11 coins. 3 nickels, 8 copper cents. No silver yet. But man this machine/ program is crazy good! It has become my fav machine for hi trash areas in short order, (.20 hrs ) I really need to try the other programs , to get to know the machine better. But this bad boy is fun. Fortunately, detecting in this shady park has kept my neck from getting redder! But I carry sunscreen just in case!

Hi Rvpopeye, yes I still hit the beach in winter but now the good part begins. This year something more prepared, one new Nemo, Manticore and Nox 900. It seems a little better to me than 800 for silver, likes Gold just as much or more. With the Manticore for now I still don't fully understand it. That Silver is from a couple of hunts...

Typically people hunt silver by digging high tones or running discrimination very high. Silver can fall into the aluminum trash range and wrap to iron when stacked. Response of IB machines is not just based on metal type or purity but also size, shape, orientation and depth. Coils have a focal range then the signal will fall off. The focal range is effected by ground mineralization. EMI can also effect depth as the machine will try to recover balance as it is being interupted. As you go beyond the focal range of the target the frequency will drop off which results in phase change. This can make tiny silvers difficult to detect. I prefer mid to high frequencies as they give silver targets a softer response vs other targets because it pushes them up in the response range and gives me more detection gamut range in the aluminum trash range. Some people like to hunt with lower frequencies that will give silver a stronger response but that can effect small gold and thin brass/bronze objects. Old areas I typically hunt by size and depth listening for weaker signals. Machines with good audio modulation or vco are ideal. Overlapping swings and using the edge of the coil to see how targets fall off in signal will save you from digging a lot of trash. Aluminum almost always has a sharp fall off in signal vs other metals in their same phase angle.

Detecting silver here in the UK as such is not a easy specific task and the main reason is that our history goes back 1000s of years,our hammered coinage vary not only in size but also the silver content is not always the same ie depends on what state the economy was at the time of making the coins as sometime silver was not in abundance so the coinage would be of a lower purity than some other times. Of course different sizes and quality of silver can throw a spanner in the works TID wise,so one cannot give a specific number range,also our gold hammered coinage can be exactly the same and TID various as well,its not until milled coinage started that the weights and silver/gold content became standard due the manufacturing process rather than someone hammering a coin blank between 2 dies hence that is why its called hammered coins. Our silver hammered coins can come in the foil range as can gold hammered coins which can also come into the iron range as well,so basically the bottom line is you cannot rely on TID on any detector hence why we tend to rely more on audio and if you are still not sure you have to dig the find out,that is the only real way of finding out what the find is,it makes no odds if its coinage,jewellery or what ever alas no simple reply can be given about 'Tips for Targeting Silver Relics' Your spade is still the best method.

Hello treasure hunters! As someone deeply immersed in the world of precious metals, I’ve noticed that certain areas and techniques are particularly fruitful for discovering silver artifacts. From old trade routes to battlefields, understanding the history can guide our searches. What are your go-to strategies for locating hidden silver? Let's swap tips and maybe even share stories of our most exciting finds!

I know I am late to the thread but I like the legend a lot. I didn't know nel was making coils for them. Mine is the slightly older version with the 11 inch round coil. I also have the 6 inch but my favorite nokta coil is the lg24. if I saw this thread before I would have ordered a slightly different coil...and I still may. I found a little silver dime the other day with the large coil using the 1.09 firmware in a tight area against a sidewalk. Picked it out just fine. I just loaded up the new 1.15 firmware but haven't taken it out yet. one thing it doesn't like is my tekpoint pinpointer but it isn't enough to make me seek out another brand one yet. they are tough and well built and you can see the screen in the sunlight very well compared to other units. the only thing that take a little getting used to is the menu system. But once you get that down really the first 4 settings is about all you ever fiddle with. you may have already bought yours I haven't read this entire thread but I do believe you will like it.

Hit one of my colonial cellar hole sites that is worn out but has given up some nice finds over the years. I am swinging slow to see if I can pick something out of the iron when I hear that beautiful soft fluttering flute high tone that Minelab machines are famous for. It stopped me in my tracks thinking maybe it’s a deep early American silver or a Spanish real. I swung the coil again and got silence. Then problem #1 dawned on me. I wasn’t swinging a Minelab. I was swinging my Deus 2. Then problem #2 dawned on me. I was in Full Tones PWM which is a raspy sound and sounds nothing like the Deus High Square tone which tries to emulate the Minelab sound. I heard that soft flutelike tone again and realized it was not coming from my headphones but from somewhere above and behind me. I scan the trees and see this barred owl just looking at me and doing its best Minelab imitation. It stayed there a few minutes before flying over to another nearby tree to snatch a fledging baby oriole. It flew back to the first tree and “Minelabbed” me for a few seconds before swallowing the fledgling whole in a few gulps. Anyway, I managed to sniff out a couple of pewter buttons. They always get my blood going as I dug a nice USA button at this site some years back. Last target of the morning was a nice mouth harp. Lodge

Right from the get go when I got the Manticore a year and a half ago I started using ATHC 100% of the time. I did really good with it and really thought it was the best program despite the falsing. I have recently switched and have been using AT General full time to give it a good test. I definitely think General it's a lot less prone to falsing on iron in my ground. You don't hear quite as much spurious noise as you do in ATHC. I can see why people would gravitate to it vs. ATHC. Using AT General is much more pleasurable detecting experience all the way around. I'll have to do a lot more testing to know if I want to stick with it. At the moment I think in low iron and low modern trash ATHC is probably best. Iron and heavy modern trash AT-General is probably better from an overall detecting experience type thing . I am not currently sold on the M8 coil. It's deep on air test, but I just don't find many deeper targets while hunting with it despite many of the places I hunt having really mild ground. I used it for several hours the other day finding mostly targets from on the surface to 3"-4" max. I decided to put the 11" back on after using the M8 for 3 hours and the ground just came alive with many more targets being heard. Were they doubles of shallow targets? I don't know but I was hearing a lot more targets plus the deeper ones I don't think the M8 was alerting on. Within 20 minute of putting the 11" back on I had a silver ring and a 43 silver Washington. Both were 6"-8" deep. I just never have good luck with small coils. My buddy was using the M9 and got 2 Mercs and a War nickel. I didn't see how deep they were, but they were definitely 5"+ according to him. We did an air test of one of the Merc dimes laying on top of the ground in a spot free of trash and the coils seemed decently close depth wise. I was very confused by that.

In my in ground tests with a silver dime lying flat, the 11" coil on my Legend went about 2" deeper than the 9.5x6 coil. With the dime on edge, there was no notable difference in depth between those coils. The latter is understandable given better sensitivity to small targets with the smaller coil. I suspect that if I did the same comparison using the 9.5x6 coil and a 9" round coil, then the depth on edged coins would still be the same with each coil, but the 9" round would hit the dime lying flat about 1" deeper. Given that minimal increase in depth (and often no depth gain), coupled with the slightly better separation and unmasking of the 9.5x6, then I'm kind of thinking the 9" round coil be redundant. Yet, I'm constantly questioning whether or not to use my 11" round or 9.5x6! So a 9" round coil would appease that questioning and probably be the coil I never take off of my Legend 😁

rvpopeye Full Member 2.8k Location: South Coast of Maine Author Report Posted April 1 (restored on 6/3 after reset) Two layers of wool and fleece lined pants with a rain coat wind breaker was the key . Just happened to have it all laying around.. (Might get slammed on the 3rd+4th so not time for the cargo shorts just yet. Summah is still a long way off uptah camp.) Did it again yesterday 2 clad dimes and 3 zincs. The dimes were "thanks for hunting" on my way back to the rig walking through a parking area with 3 stinkin' zincs and junk in the pouch. There's a pretty hefty pile of fair junk for only 4 hours too. I think I'll save any curiosity items from the pre season hunts for a pic in case someone recognizes any of it. (Great bennie of hanging out here on D/P ! So many experienced eyes...) Time for round 3 , the bee bop beep box just finished charging. 5kts and a slight haze 44* . Where's my shades ? My future is bright. Quote rvpopeye Full Member 2.8k Location: South Coast of Maine Author Report Posted April 2 Yesterday and today's hunts , 6 hours total. Weather was sunny and 50* uptah camp and the winds still 5kts today . The digging was easy . 😎 Only 4 people asked if I found anything good . 😩 800- 6" coil , park 2 , recovery 6. Swinging over an area where 2 big carny rides were set up. It took a while but I finally located where the lines of people were.. Things looked a lot different now vs. then.. 1 quarter , 4 dimes (1 a 1966 almost but no cigar) , 4 nickels , 9 copper memorial pennies and 18 zincolns. 1 8d crusty square nail . A 100 amp electric plug casing (rusted steel probably a carny cast off). Also found some bling bits . 1 looked silver-ish but no markings....arrrrrrr🏴‍☠️ I had to get a bigger junk pouch ! Using a 1 qt insulated water bottle holder now , it even has a trap door on top , @ goodwill for $2 👍 The sky will be falling the next couple three-four days best I can figgah accordin' ta some young fellah on the tv . But the lows just around freezing so the ground's not gonna be gettin' hahd . 8-10" heavy and wet on the shore tomorrow night but the rest of it should be rain dontchyaknow Chummy . 18" or more up in the hills oooie ! It's lookin' like I'll be the only one with power again..... Son of the beach

I just picked up a new D2 weeks ago. Curiosity got the best of me. I never owned an XP before. It was a real struggle getting started . I did not do well reading thru the manual to get started. I finally watched a few you tube videos from brass medic and mental metal to get the coils paired. I was able to get the 11 x 13 coil paired, but not the 9. I finally looked at the serial number on the 9 coil under a magnifying glass and realized the B actually could be a 6, so I typed that in, and it finally paired. Mental metal Scott did a great job of explaining the basics to get the beast up and running. I watched a video from Rattlehead (NWGA detecting) and he showed in great detail what buttons to push to load in his Silver Slayer program, So I got it loaded, and went to a local park, put in about 6 hours , then took the D2 to our 120 yr old homestead, to test it out in the heavy trash. Between the house and garage is a 20x 20 sand and gravel parking area. It is wall to wall crap! 10-20 targets per swing. I went thru there in the past with my other top of the line machine, using a 11, 9, and 5 x 8 coil. Big iron, scrap aluminum, etc. Did not pull up anything good. I put the 9 coil on the D2, using the SS program, 95 sens, react @ 3, everything else the same. went thru the area, nothing good. I bumped up the reactivity to 4, tried it again. I hit an 89, dug a 6" wide hole, at 4" was the spike in the pic. 1/4" x 1/4" x3". still getting an 89, dug out the 22 brass shell, still 89, 2-3" deeper the steel eye bolt. Still an 89, in the 7-8 " range the 1962 cent! I was dumbfounded. 7' away I dug another 1960's cent , 7" deep with more crap in the hole. I'm totally impressed with the D2's separation capabilities. The audio on this machine rocks. Its fun to use. Thanks to all the guys here and on You tube for helping us old foggies to shorten the learning curves on these detectors.

There are 2 areas where tech could still do some good with metal detectors. Discrimination and EMI/RFI resistance. I believe after all this time there could be some gainful changes in how metal detectors discriminate. It appears most of them look at conductivity primarily. Wouldn't it be nice if the machine could do multiple checks on a target beyond conductivity alone? Why have we not yet seen more detail of a target's composition before we dig it? I find it hard to believe it can't be improved upon and refined some more. For instance, why not put in a secondary function that can be activated while pinpointing to get an approximate probability of the target's components? It could be as simple as a readout of resistance, conductivity, and probable composition. Put it into a special mode to further analyze it that goes beyond the typical scanning mode. Just food for thought. But knowing how things are if they did come up with something like that it would cost way more than most would or could pay. EMI/RFI is an increasing problem that has not been totally remedied by anyone yet. Why is this? Because they don't see it as something to tackle. They'd rather keep making new model after new model instead to keep the coffers full. Put an EMI/RFI resistance design upgrade in place. If you already have a solid build, why not go ahead and perfect i further. Call it "City Edition" or something if it makes your marketing people feel better! But why can't we work on these annoyances and at least alleviate it more. The frequencies normally seen used in metal detectors are too crowded, too much is interfering with that now. Why not go about trying some new frequencies? FCC ankle biters are the cause? If we are restricted in frequencies that can be used strengthen the boards, the coils, the shielding, whatever it takes to make at least a 50-75% reduction in EMI/RFI noise splatter. Encapsulate the boards in material once soldered that is another layer of protection. Cover your coil windings in a new more EMI/RFI resistant material. Work on those shoddy wires used for coil cables. Networking cable keeps progressing to handle faster speeds and have less cross-talk. Why have they not evolved coil cables in a similar fashion yet? Cost? Please.. Coils are essentially the same they have been for a long time. We really could do with a different approach, something to change the playing field. I think we still have some room for refinement. But not on this or that new fangled feature like a LED light or pretty logo. Let's go back to the drawing board on what is really important- better ID, smarter discrim, and more robust filtering/shielding. Who knows, there is yet a better material out there for it than what is currently being used. I realize there are some smart people here that know way more than me, but I'm telling you, there is a more efficient more effective route to go that no one has done yet vs what we see in use now. How long it will take to materialize remains to be seen, but one day it will become very clear what is in the ground you hear beeping. You will be able to "see it" from a composition probability percentage of its base materials. Aluminum, Copper, Au-Gold, Silver, etc. Sounds cheesy? Just how cheesy would it have sounded back in the 70's to someone if you would have told them "One day we will see how deep something is in the ground, and a number showing what it might be" ? We have that today. We have lighter machines than way back. But the sad news for us is that when we are gone the really awesome stuff will be here! I sure hope there are still some people around then to get all the stuff we couldn't find. And that hopefully they are still allowed to metal detect without being thrown into jail.

Dang Steve, You nailed it! Great job ? Finding a silver half-dollar in the ground is hard to come by these days. John

Beach hunt # 29 was again at my favorite beach. The plan was to go over the area I did well at last week with the 5000, but this time with the AQ. I should be able to get some more low conductors, especially nickels. Again, it’s a very tricky sand composition with black/purple sand and a clay layer from 1” to 8”, varying as you move. It has some deep little holes and caverns, created due to how the clay settled or eroded. Nice little areas to trap coins and small targets. Now previously I ran the AQ after the 5000 and did very well on an adjacent section. This time, I could not get either machine to settle down. I lifted the coil up to get away from direct contact with the sand…. No luck. I lowered sensitivity to 8 on the 5000…. No luck. Same for the AQ, sensitivity 2 all frequency delays, ATS settings, all metal – Volcanic…. No go. It would either false a wide signal, or worse a nice, tight, repeatable signal that disappeared when you got down about 4”. I could not figure out what had changed. It's the same area, unaltered from the previous week. I did my best and finally as the hunt progressed, things settled down with the 5000. Eventually I figured out that all the recent rain had saturated this sand thoroughly. It did not have time to dry off enough to allow for detecting. So, the hunt was mostly uneventful, with just a Buffalo nickel and one silver Roosevelt dime. Some cool odd finds included a lead circle with strange symbols that can be broken off. Voodoo I think !!! ? A nice older design key, a small brass item I can’t ID, and a surface find of what appears to be a small air pump for starting a fire. Works great actually. I’m assuming the UN is either an old school clickbait, or maybe a product that the UN lists as a survival tool. Other than dealing with people that want to talk to you for hours, ? it was a pretty nice day to be at the beach. ?

Watched the video again to catch some more details. Carbon fiber mid and lower shafts. The coil cable is inside the shafts. IP69 waterproof. 2.65 pounds. More flexible multi frequency choices as in the user has more autonomy over which frequencies are being used simultaneously......I think he was saying that. The wildest part for me is I think he said ground penetrating radar twice with some kind of multi colored graph like a Whites V3i with a different color for each metal. He specifically mentioned iron, gold, copper and silver would each have a different colored graph line........and then he said he didn't see how that would work in Russia since all of the jewelry there is heavily alloyed!!!......GPS satellite capable with SIM card. $1200 version has a coil, wired headphones, wireless headphones (I think he said Koss) and a pinpointer (probably pairs wirelessly). The $870 version is just the detector and coil with no extras. April 5th launch and April 17th goes on sale. Don't shoot me, this is what the video maker said with some room for mistakes by the auto translator and my bad Russian language skills. Basically I can grunt and moan in Russian!

The four copper coins are United States wheat cents. The dates of those four are: 1930, 1934, 1945 and 1953. The silver coin is a Japanese coin. I’m not sure of the exact date but most likely pre world war II…probably from the 1930s era. So they’re not very old. But thanks for your interest.

Hello, Below is an excellent coin program that I found on YouTube from Metal Detecting NWGA. I LOVE this program and use it when looking for coins. This program also sniffs out old nickels like no other program I have ever used. If you watch the video you can turn this into step-by-step instructions ? Hope this helps! John Manticore Silver Shooter Program By Metal Detecting NWGA (on YouTube). January 2023 (7:14 minutes) Settings: All-Terrain High Conductors. Recovery Speed set at 3. Lower speed for less trash and higher speed for more trash in ground or too much iron. *Leave open: 22-28; 55-56; 70 on up. *Discrimination Pattern. Notch out: 0-21; 29-48; 49-54; and 57-69. Ferrous Limits. Edit from Custom One. Top gray at 10. For lower gray go to Custom 1 and override. The first segment of gray put at -13 and the rest at -21. Audio Theme. Depth. Min pitch at 10. Max pitch at 65. Multi IQ. Sensitivity. Run the hottest you can and back down in increments.

I am really enjoying the positive reviews with the XTP on the beach. I am thinking of adding this as a strictly beach detector for overseas travel destinations. Its cheap (incase stolen at customs), breaks down easy and can be put together easy with no tools and telescopes down as well. Those are kind of my main 2 reasons, besides detecting ability. Question though, is it really bad at black sand beaches? I mean compared to the Nox, not just in general. I would like to use this on Treasure Coast, FL beaches but they can have some serious black sand when eroded down to the pay layers (Spanish Fleet silver and relics). Thoughts or has anyone tried yet?

I was at the beach the other day and some guy was swinging a Nox with a 15 inch coil. I was a little envious and embarrassed thinking about how much area he was covering with each swing and here I am with this little 8 inch. The M8 is the smallest coil I have used in decades! At times I think about going back to the 11 inch just to cover more ground at the beach, BUT... I am running a sensitivity around 26 to 27 and at times 28 on the higher slope. I could not possibly run that high with the 11. I know a lot of guys are saying that a lower sensitivity is better for more accurate number ID's and in a lot of instances it is. I had a small target easily coming in as non-ferrous and at 26 sensitivity, I lowered it to 21 and the target was gone. It turned out to be a small open silver earring. I think it is a give and take with what you are comfortable hearing. I am always thinking small thin gold chains, so that is primarily why I run it so high. I think the beaches are loaded with chains, but we just can't get a decent signal on them especially in the salt water. A lot of guys on the forums are saying the M8 is just as deep as the 11 and awesome in heavy iron trash infested sites. I can't say how they feel about the 15 in. I am just amazed at all the small open earrings I am finding with this coil. I don't think I'm missing anything deep that the 11 would find, just suffering with ground coverage. If you are looking primarily for fresh drops, the 15 would get the job done in quick fashion!