Jump to content


Popular Content

Showing content with the highest reputation on 12/21/2018 in all areas

  1. 5 points
    Peak oil turned out to be a bad call - fracking ended all that talk. There’s plenty of gold - just a question of cost of production vs. price of gold.
  2. 4 points
    Hi and hopefully happy holidays to all of you....... Before most of you go too far into conspiracy theory land, I did the test that I promised. First of all there is nothing in the manual concerning depth loss or gain by using different iron bias settings unless I missed something. I did not change the iron bias in default Park 1 for this test. So I luckily have both detectors. I air tested them with the stock 11" coil and the 6" coil in my backyard. First I tested both the 800 and 600 with the 11" coil in default Park 1 except for sensitivity which I had to lower on both detectors to 16 due to massive amounts of EMI today, I used the same settings as in the Youtube video in question. I used a 1982 US quarter. I recorded the farthest distance from the coil with matching beeps in both directions. The 800 in default Park 1 detected the quarter 1 inch further than the 600 in default Park 1. I changed the recovery speed of the 800 to 6 (up from 5) and the test results were exactly the same on both detectors = 8.5" I put on the 6" coil (it was a lot quieter as it should have been!) and left the sensitivity at 16 on both detectors. In default Park 1 (recovery speed 5 for the 800) the 800 detected the quarter 1 inch further than the 600 in default Park 1. I changed the recovery speed to 6 on the 800 and the results were exactly the same = 6". I think I will keep my Nox 600 for now..... Jeff
  3. 3 points
    To all of the Happy Equinox users I wish you all A Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year from the UK. I hope you all get the Christmas Presents which you all are hoping for. Good Hunting Randy Dee
  4. 3 points
    Hi all, I have read many a great article on this forum so thought it time to join up and say g'day. I exclusively target gold and consider myself as a somewhat seasoned detectorist but by no means an expert. One of the great things about this hobby and lifestyle is that there is always something more to learn about. The learning curve never ends and I wouldn't have it any other way. Another great part of the hobby is all the down to earth people you meet from all around the world, weather it be out bush or online. Cheers
  5. 3 points
    Excellent test. Your hypothesis that the recovery speed difference (based on the default recovery speeds of each detector) was the cause of the difference in air test depth was confirmed. Well done with your hypothesis and even better for doing the experiment. You get an A+ in my experimental science class!
  6. 3 points
    The Goldbug/G2 are great coin/relic detectors and are extremely easy to use and setup, my partner prefers it for the simplicity and light weight over any of our other detectors - gave her a tryout of the F75 and she quickly handed it back in preference of the G2.😄 She mainly runs the NEL Sharpshooter, NEL Hunter and the Detech Ultimate (pictured), unfortunately the original Teknetics coil died after a dunking in salt water. We both did well on the predecimal coins at the pictured site, the G2 and Deus are a pretty formidable combo on old house sites.
  7. 3 points
    When gold finally hits $2000 (or more) an ounce, people will be shocked by the new deposits "suddenly discovered" by motivated mining companies. ICMJ had a good article on this topic last month too.
  8. 2 points
    "Some stories are worthy of being told more than once. There are countless stories about lost or buried treasure in Nevada history. Most of these are legends that might or might not have any basis in fact. The following story, however, is one of the rare cases where a real treasure was found, when there was no previous knowledge it even existed." Full Story Here
  9. 2 points
    600 is the same as 800 but with fewer settings. No tests will change that. Variations occur between two exact same detector models also if people want to go have fun testing for that sort of thing. The 600 is the killer value proposition for most users, but most will get an 800 anyway. Equinox 600 Versus Equinox 800
  10. 2 points
    The DP had the 5 inch and 11 inch with it. The snake is a better shape and seems more sensitive to small gold than the 5 inch. The 11 inch is nose heavy and plays up more with EMI than the Ultimate. I would never choose to use a stock coil over my aftermarket coils as they are better. I really like the ultimate on the beach, it's so light, way lighter than my Tornado. The 5x10 stock is excellent, possibly better than the sharpshooter so stock wins in that size. 😊 I'm on my phone so will reply properly when I get home.
  11. 2 points
    DetectorComparisons Published on Nov 28, 2017 - Most VLF detectors have trouble in this dirt; the Impact was impressive. Here is a link to a video from a few years ago showing different detectors on the same dirt https://youtu.be/vjCXRzDIa2c
  12. 2 points
    Hi, the only setting difference between default Park 1(if both detectors were in default Park 1?) is the recovery speed. On page 51 of the online manual: higher recovery speed will decrease depth. The 800 default recovery speed in Park 1 is 5. The 600 default recovery speed is 3 which equals 6 on the 800. I don't know if that is enough of a difference to cause that much depth loss. Otherwise, if both the 600 and the 800 are operating at the exact same multi frequencies in Park 1 (some people have claimed they are - I have no proof) then recovery speed is the only difference that could cause different depth ability. I have both detectors and a 6" coil. So I will try this test with a quarter soon and let you know.
  13. 2 points
    Here is a nice piece of Yuma gold my brother found a couple weeks ago,found with the 7000.
  14. 2 points
    The 2300 won the day with the most nuggets found, and I was swinging the Minelab Gold Monster1000. It's a rare occasion when everyone finds gold.
  15. 2 points
    Good stuff Gerry 🙂 I love the look of the country where you were detecting. Who won the day out of the high end detector and the 2300? I would think it would be the 2300, but then again, Lunk is no slouch with a detector 🙂
  16. 1 point
    So many people call me and ask about getting into Nugget Detecting and then comment, “Hasn’t it all been found by now?”. I’m here to tell you what I found out last week on a short trip to Yuma to get some sun. The last minute, I decided to take a GPZ-7000, as it actually packs in airplane luggage easier than my 5000. Anyway, we did the usual stuff for the first 3 days and then got the call to meet up with Lunk and another of my customers the next morning at around 9AM. I was worried my rental car 2WD Ford Escape was of no use? But when we met up at the site, I realized my riding lawn mover would have done just fine. After all, we turned off real genuine pavement and drove less than a mile on gravel, seen some dry wash piles on the side of the road and decided it was good to hunt. OK… lets cut to the chase… How did we do in the 5 hours of detecting? All 3 of us found gold with our detectors. Are we all swinging the high end GPZ-7000 that most folks can’t afford.. you ask? Nope. Only me, as I did not realize smaller coils would have served me better for that site. My one buddy was using a more moderately priced detector, SDC-2300 and he recovered more than I. Lunk was swinging the best VLF gold machine under $1000 and he too found more than me. After all, coil size to match the terrain is pretty important as I found out. So whats the verdict on AZ and Yuma specifically? Plenty of gold out there folks and I was able to drive my riding lawn mower less than a mile off a paved road when we seen old Prospects so decided to try. Each of us using 3 different detector price ranges and even technologies (VLF, PI & ZVT) scored some Au. We all went home with gold…and a few great memories. I’m still awe struck that gold can be so easily found a half mile from a paved road, 15 minutes outside of Yuma? I guess those folks enjoy dry washing more than nugget hunting? I'm thinking next winter I know of an area to put on a Gold Detector Field Training class for my customers? At least I know it is really close to town and most anyone can get there. BTW… There is plenty of lead targets in that area too, so you’ll get your share of pinpointing practice. And on the way back to the hotel, you can pull off the side of the road and get another kind of nuggets, fresh AZ oranges.
  17. 1 point
    I was hunting an old field and found an old button and after rubbing it with some vegetable oil to preserve it I went back to the same spot and found this old coin. I was shaking all over as I gently cleaned it off and rubbed it with a lightly oiled paper towel. I looked it up and it is a colonial Vermont copper from around 1785.
  18. 1 point
    Every coil size & shape has its own signature on depth & size of gold. The smaller the coil, the more sensitive to smaller gold but at reducing depths as the coil size gets smaller & the gold needing to be closer to the coil. The larger the coil the deeper it will go, but the gold needing to be bigger as the depth increases. I don't think that equation will ever change, even with improved technology & coil windings. I am a sucker, or was when I swung a GPX, for having a large assortment of coils. Each one was a game changer....even over the same "thrashed" grounds. It doesn't take very much in a change of coil size or shape to bring that coils personality into lighting up more gold. That I have learned over the years. Be it on bedrock or old timer throw out piles. In bedrock you just never know how deep or how big/small gold is going to be in the crevices within that bedrock. More often than not you cant even see a crevice from the surface of the bedrock. So you may choose to use a small coil to get the small/tiny "surface" gold that is either sitting on the bedrock or in very shallow cracks & crevices or covered by a very shallow amount of gravels. That's cool...then put on a slightly bigger coil...or a bigger bigger coil & all of a sudden you open up a whole new world of deeper cracks & crevices that you had no idea were there & can have you smashing into bedrock where you just can't believe that any gold would be. Very often the gold down in these cracks & crevices has the gold being largeish "flat" but thin with the orientation of the thin edge being all that is exposed to the coil due to the gold being on edge jammed in a vertical crack. Here is a prime example of a flat but fatish piece of gold from out of a schist crevice in bedrock that the gold was on edge. So only the "thin" edge was exposed to the coil giving a very soft faint signal. As opposed to the large flat surface area that would have been a screamer of a signal if it had of been orientated that way. Admittedly this was with the Zed but it is all relevant. Here is another example with the Gold Bug 2. Every other Tom , Dick & Harry who waved a detector over this spot missed this & I know there has been many an operator up this public fossicking location. Again...the gold being on edge in the crevice. This flat but thin gold is the majority of gold that I find detecting in schist bedrock. Usually always up on its thin edge exposing the smallest surface area to the coil. It can take only a slight increase in coil size to snag these pieces a little deeper into the bedrock. Or a smaller coil depending on gold size versus depth & orientation of the gold. My advice would be to get the 12x8. It will have its place & get gold the 17x13 will miss & vise versa. Good luck out there JW
  19. 1 point
  20. 1 point
  21. 1 point
    this Equinox 800 and Equinox 600 test does not look very accomplished,-no detector settings are visible,,, especially if you look at his other tests..
  22. 1 point
  23. 1 point
  24. 1 point
    Howdy! Welcome to the forum! 🙂
  25. 1 point
    I'm sorry but I do not regard the Video as a scientific test. For start has anyone noticed that he is using a metallic pen to write down the results and he leaves it within range of the detector! The pen is not there for the first 800 test, then its placed to the side but within range for the second 800 test, then it is even closer/more central for both 600 tests, and he also moves the coil a bit for the 600 test. (Is there any metal under the table?) You can hear the detectors bleeping as he writes! Who knows what influence it has, a bit like having some iron near a finder. Each time the pen is in a slightly different position! Laugh out Loud.
  26. 1 point
    Makes you wonder because i didnt notice the falsing on the 600 like i did with the 800 when that coil was moving...... so was it set up the same? Also one guy was doing tests in his test garden with the 800 between the standard and 15" coil.... many thought his results showed his standard coil was really HOT. Was it possible..... the machine was not the coil? Calibration can make a difference..... machine to coil. He should have went back and tested the standard coil as well.
  27. 1 point
    Thanks a bunch it was an amazing day and I hope things have turned over in the spring and I might find another coin or two in the same spot
  28. 1 point
    Here is a short video of me in Colchester where I found a 1363 hammered Gold Quarter Noble coin from King Edward The III reign. The people that Steve and I booked with are a great bunch and know their stuff. If you can ever make that trip it is well worth it.
  29. 1 point
    That big insect is actually a locust.
  30. 1 point
    That's alright Chuck, not having a go at you, just that a majority of US detectors here are way over priced for what they are, and adding things like the goods and services tax and differing currency values certainly doesn't help the situation. For me that means when considering a VLF gold detector purchase, there are other options out there now that offer more value for money and versatility vs other platforms from the US. Perceived value in a detector can differ from person to person, all depends on what you are looking for in a detector and its features, ergonomics, weight etc - cost can often be a secondary consideration.😊
  31. 1 point
    "Lunk was swinging the best VLF detector under $1000" And that would be...???????? Nice pics and hunt Gerry....weather looks VERY nice down there compared to the white/wet sloppy crap up north.... Just now realized old post?????
  32. 1 point
    There is some misunderstanding about frequency. The old rule was lower frequencies are more sensitive to high conductors like silver, and higher frequencies more sensitive to low conductors like gold. The reality is more complicated. Air tests reveal that higher frequencies are just more sensitive, period. In particular, the higher the sensitivity, the hotter a detector is on smaller targets. The catch is higher frequencies light up and see ground mineralization that a lower frequency will ignore entirely. The way I look at it is boosting frequency increases sensitivity across the board. However, in areas with mineralization, a high frequency can generate so much ground response that depth starts to suffer. The machines get chatty or outright noisy, and sensitivity may have to be reduced to compensate. A 71 kHz Fisher Gold Bug 2 air tests like crazy on all targets. Yet in bad ground the machine lacks any real depth and if not ground balanced it is horrible. A very high frequency detector with a preset unadjustable ground balance would be a very bad idea. The lower frequencies do very well on high conductors while also inherently ignoring milder ground mineralization. This in turn means the preset ground balance covers a wider range of conditions well, as compared to a high frequency machine, which has more need to be spot on. This double whammy, lower frequency being good for most types of coins, while also working well and quietly over a wider range of ground types, means nearly any detector with a preset ground balance is going to be running under 10 kHz in the single digits. There are many in the 6 kHz to 8 kHz range, with 6.59 kHz and 7.8 kHz being particular common. The Ace 200 (and Ace 250) is 6.5 kHz, Ace 300 is 8 kHz, and Ace 400 rather hot at 10 kHz.
  33. 1 point
    That's a lot of targets Chet, you certainly get an "A" for effort! Like Randy said, the south side of the freeway is a tough hunt with far fewer meteorites, but I'm sure there's a big one out there with your name on it.
  34. 1 point
    Chet, you have made an amazing effort. That is an impressive haul of finds. My hat is off to you. Franconia has become a stingy mistress only rarely giving up a few nice specimens like Lunk recently found. The south side I have read tends to have fewer larger meteorites. I will give it a two day try after Christmas on the north side. I have had minor success twice but on my last two trips I have been skunked. I get renewed energy from Lunk. As for technique, along with my GPZ I now use my metreorite stick (a hiking pole with a magnet taped to it) as my companion machine. Happy Holidays and Happy Hunting!
  35. 1 point
    Hi Lunk I made it to the south side of Franconia in March. I had never hunted for meteorites before so I dug everything. Using the GPZ 7000 resulted in a lot of deep and shallow junk. Evidently it was a WW II training area resulting in a lot of 50 Caliber bullets. There are a lot of small pieces of screen wire everywhere. The wire is on or near the surface so the magnet in the handle of my pick came in handy to quickly pick it up. I didn’t find any meteorites but I will try again in the future. Have a good day, Chet
  36. 1 point
    I can’t answer. Way too early. Need more time, to even get close to giving honest opinion.
  37. 1 point
    Different people can have different types of hearing lost. I have tried almost every waterproof headphones available for the Equinox. Tony Eisenhower's head phones are the best for my use. They have more volume then the other headphones. I just ordered a 2nd set so I have a set of Tony Eisenhower's head phones on both of my Equinoxes.
  38. 1 point
    I’ve owned a pair of Tony Eisenhower's head phones for a while now and they work great ! 👍👍
  39. 1 point
    Okay latest current info IAW Mr Danksowski. Units are made in Merced California by small start up company with Chief design engineer supervising a few folks. Developer Dimitar Gargov, he was an engineer with Fisher, Los Banos and worked with NASA-Tom some years ago. Units will be serviced at California location where made. Warranty is being discussed and details should be released soon. And I will post here if I am told by Mr Dankowski and or he posts publically about. I am an actual consumer/purchaser of product. I have no ties to detector manufacturer or Mr Dankowski for that matter, other than the fact I am member of his forum and actually purchased the detector in question there. I personally chose to post links here as well as sourced copied info here and elsewhere about this detector before release.
  40. 1 point
    Fred, I must have been standing on one of those granite boulders out there...🤔😃
  41. 1 point
    Lunk, these are fabulous finds in an area that has been hit pretty hard especially near the road. My hats off to you. Well done!
  42. 1 point
    Thanks Dubious. The southern half of the strewn field south of Interstate I-40 is accessible by car. The large majority of the northern half is included within the Warm Springs Wilderness, where vehicles and other mechanized equipment are prohibited.
  43. 1 point
    Lunk, you are one hell of a he-man to swing that 19 inch coil while hunting in Franconia. The ground coverage is excellent but the strain is much greater. I am curious how you mount the 19 and gpz...harness, hip-stick, swing-arm??? Very nice irons, much larger than most, I think! The stones are cool too... fred
  44. 1 point
    Following up on my post above, I bought the LS Pelso WP headphones. I don't ever expect to dive and only wanted a good set of WP headphones for fresh and saltwater wading where I may have to dip my head under water to scoop a find or possibly rainy day detecting. The Pelsos have excellent sound, the cord length is good for me, they are comfortable to wear for long periods and the price is reasonable.
  45. 1 point
    Depends. Are you going to be using them under water at max depth or just want a pair for use while wading that can take a few waves? Speaker types may not work well (sound) under water at max depth, but work great above water - better sound quality in my estimation than piezos. Piezo types are probably better underwater. Next step, decide on your use then read reviews - many on this forum.
  46. 1 point
    Hey Guys, I can tell you the NF 12x8" EVO's are selling well. We sold the first shipment right away, the second is just about gone. Most are using them on bedrock and in shallow areas or where there is a lot of obstructions. Some great reports are coming back, mostly on smaller gold shallow here in the US, but I have a few guys that have found 1/4 ouncers with them at depth, just didn't get all the details besides they being used on GPX 4500's and 5000's. This coil will also work on the TDI series, sold a few to guys with them, just haven't got any reports on the TDI's as of yet. Nugget Finder in my opinion has had the advantage in my opinion within the last could of years. Sometimes it's hard for me to say as I was one of the first US Coiltek dealers in the country selling thousands of their coils over the years. Coiltek and NF are like a Chevy - Ford deal, every few years they seem to have the latest "Buzz!" Rob Allison Rob's Detector Sales www.robsdetectors.com
  47. 1 point
    The 14x9" is no slouch. In the testing I've done so far, if you can run a high gain on the 14x9" it will pretty well match what the 12x8" can do, especially if you can run Sens Extra. In hot ground it's a different ball game. Where you are forced to drop your Rx Gain, the 12x8" retains a lot of sensitivity, where the 14x9" starts to lose signal sharpness a lot earlier. Interesting thing though, on this 0.1g bit, Fine Gold was the best, provided I kept a slow steady swing. Sens Extra was next best, followed by Enhance which struggled a bit. I've seen this scenario several times in the past, which is why I still have the 5000, even though I have a soft spot for the old 4500. I also tried the 15" Evo just for kicks. Sens Extra was the only timing that got a sniff on it, but I had to up the Gain and back off the stabilizer. Fine Gold and Enhance nothing. In thick scrub, the 12x8" is nicer to use.
  48. 1 point
    Hi Rick, I think you hit on an important item - physical capability. While depth is all fine and dandy, we are not talking double the depth or anything crazy like that. Going to a larger coil at best you usually just get that extra inch. That being the case I like a coil I can swing for 8 hours without killing myself. I personally really like the 14" x 9" form factor as a good compromise between depth, weight, and ground coverage. The 15" x 12" Commander mono was a very good performer back in the day but some of these new coil windings may have an edge that negates the size difference. Not having used the newest coils myself I can only suggest what I would do myself - a half day of comparative coil testing. I can't imagine there being much difference at all between the 12" round and the 14" x 9" as regards performance so it really just comes down to which coil you prefer to swing. My old 14" x 9" Nugget Finder helped me score a 6.5 ounce gold nugget so you can see why I might be fond of the coil! I had the old Nugget Finder 16" round super light mono coil at one point. The old housing design but that was a sweet coil both for being light and deep. Unfortunately it started getting flaky and had to be retired. 6.5 ounce gold nugget found by Steve with GPX 5000 & Nugget Finder 14" x 9" mono
  49. 1 point
    An update here on my Equinox 800 use. 154 hours field time, 48 hours testing. First I'll share a pic here. You can see how many hours I have used the Nox. You can also see the stains on the control face. I have cleaned already a few times with alcohol pad too. You can also see hopefully the scratches in the protective screen shield. Likely caused mosty by the zipper on my jacket hitting the screen especially when detecting in higher wind conditions. Bottom line put the protective shield on your screens, right out the gate. I think the use of the keypad if not protected, the ongoing abrasions cause by one's fingers will in time put a great deal of wear on the membranes. I plan to apply a clear shield over mine after I give it a good cleaning. When freshwater beach hunting, the sand on ones fingers definitely could accelerate wear here. Another pic. Today was the first day I used the wi stream wireless headphone model one gets with the 800 model package. Hunted in the rain today, so picked the ear buds up for $5 at the dollar store and put the model in my zippered jacket pocket and hunted away. Figured the worst I could do is trash a 5 buck pair of earbuds by getting wet. Folks may laugh here when Insay this. Remember several hours using wireless headphones, today using the module I could tell a difference with the detector reporting. I was in a very polluted site too. Didn't do any comparisons to the wireless headphones. Just seemed to me a little different (better) using the headphone module. Those earbuds will come in handy in hotter weather too. Today I spent 4 hours in what I call my detector proving grounds site. And I did use prospecting 1 detect mode 0 iron bias a great deal. Now this place is pounded to high heavens namely but me. Every single target was compared using both field 2 detect mode (50 tones) as well as prospecting 1 mode. The targets turned out to be located initially about even percentage wise between the 2 detect modes. Every single nonferous target located using prospecting 1 mode, field 2 would,give good signal on. (Same speed settings) used to compare (each mode). No nonferrous target deeper than 8". Most actually between 5-7" deep. One a mere 2" deep. So what about prospecting mode. I could hunt the site, but many times resweeps of spots of interest based on initial tone provided had to be done. Primary reason why, is because the way this mode works when sweeping ferrous, a time span for tonal transition will give users clue so they can spot the ferrous. So if you sweep a bit too fast you might not get a good listen to this time span for tonal transition. Sorta like Minelab GPX unit here for those familiar. Real short time span on tonal transition good indicator of iron. Using this mode and be real busy, it was for me today. But I have deus experience running full tones 0 disc- this helps. Now don't get me wrong field 2 in this same site ain't no cake walk just prospecting mode 0 iron bias busier. Both modes seems can lie to you though on some iron. I witnessed this today. One target listening to field 2 just a hint of stutter in audio whereas prospecting 1 mode more stutter. If I would have have applied my regiment I usually use using field 2 I would have walked. But field 2 based on my past experiences, it was a dig me signal - not 100% sure it was nonferrous more like > 75 % chance. Modulation using prospecting mode is actually better IMO on the shallower bigger iron vs field 2. But as far as actual nonferous buried good luck. I like the signal provided using field 2 better vs prospecting one tone provided. Field 2 use does at times provide high torn flash at the end of sweeping ferrous. You don't get this with prospecting mode. Now, IMO the site today I was at using prospecting 1 detect mode more friendly to use vs my own yard. My yard is holy terror using. I do think a user of Equinox can learn prospecting mode by locating some targets using say field 2 and comparing. Now, here's what I don't know yet. What does a super high fringe masked detectable sound like using prospecting 1 mode. I do know what one of these using field 2 sound like. So it may take me some more time detecting before I can figure out. I did check one target discovered today using park 2. Not near as good a signal. And I checked with field 1 too. And even worse signal vs park 2. Kept speed the same in all modes comparing with iron bias at 0. Field 1 mode no way in the world on my best day would I have located the nonferrous. Park 2 it would have been possible on my best day I think. Field 2 easy money. The Equinox purred like a kitten today and Sens was at 23 and 24 all the time. Pinpoint strength is still one of the best clues to elimate some bigger iron. A medium strength or lighter sounding pinpoint pretty good give away for odds of nonferous. Trying to use pinpoint for sizing, a waste of time really in polluted site. Equinox, does good in iron for coil size. Every single target today after plug removal and replacement, immediate area check using AM, all had iron, actually seemed all had multiple ferrous spread out. Wish I had the time, to do a full area of target study just to see how much ferrous is there. So Imdon't confuse folks with what Insaid about the earbuds with module sounding better. Tonally as far as sound they sounded identical to the wireless. I just thought based on my hand eye, ears, and brain coordination with coil sweeping using the module did better. Nox has some tools aboard to use, I encourage folks to use them. Besides you paid for them. Before I post a pic of the finds, I should say these couple things. I did check 2 of the target dug undisturbed status using 15, 20 and 40 kHz using field 2. One of the targets yielded nothing tonally using the 3 freqs, and the other yield a very extremely small bump of tone in 40khz only. Now a pic of the finds. All nonferrous except for the 3 on the right, Vertical standing square nail seems fools the Nox some times.
  50. 1 point
    Yes I too like coming down to Yuma to hunt gold most areas are not very difficult to get to and when you do go off road for any distance those roads are not all that bad either.
  • Create New...