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3 hours ago, Jackpine said:

It was fortunate that I had lowered the range of my high tone coin program from 18 down to 17 to hunt this particular site.

If bronze cents are coming in that low, where are Zincolns?

 

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Lots of things mess with target id in the ground, especially in dense ferrous.

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3 hours ago, Jackpine said:

t was fortunate that I had lowered the range of my high tone coin program from 18 down to 17 to hunt this particular site..  This was a couple days before the upgrade went on line.  

If you don't mind answering a couple questions about your coin program, are you using any disc, or do you run with horseshoe engaged? How many tones also. 

 

4 hours ago, Jackpine said:

 

Yesterday I hunted a different site that has some rotting tin like can lids and pieces.  I dug several of these and found that the smaller pieces will actually go to the iron tone by simply moving F2 0 up to F2 2.  That was a eureka moment for me.  I also dropped recovery down from 3 to 2 and the hunt in that area was a giant step in intelligibility for me compared with F2 0 with recovery 3 and part of that was due to the reduced fatigue factor.  Cleaner more coherent sounds akin to crappy loud speakers vs Hi-Fi.

I was experimenting varying RS between 3 & 2 and IB from 4 down to 0. After the county sheriff arrived my concentration was shaken, even though he decided I was on my permission. I had no concentration remaining whatsoever when after the sheriff left, I had a concerned citizen honking his car horn at me. After explaining myself yet again, I was too frazzled to resume my experiment with F2. But my aborted experience with recovery 2 and low F2 coupled with your experiences, gives some clue where I'll start when my state of mind is right to go back to that particular permission or my next hunt in a different spot.

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8 hours ago, Flowdog said:

If you don't mind answering a couple questions about your coin program, are you using any disc, or do you run with horseshoe engaged? How many tones also. 

I run all metal all the time.  I believe I said 3 tone but its actually 4.  Foil 1 thru 11 low tone, nickel 12 and 13 high tone.  14-16 a mid tone, 17 and up high tone.  Vol 6 on the iron

I was experimenting varying RS between 3 & 2 and IB from 4 down to 0. After the county sheriff arrived my concentration was shaken, even though he decided I was on my permission. I had no concentration remaining whatsoever when after the sheriff left, I had a concerned citizen honking his car horn at me. After explaining myself yet again, I was too frazzled to resume my experiment with F2. But my aborted experience with recovery 2 and low F2 coupled with your experiences, gives some clue where I'll start when my state of mind is right to go back to that particular permission or my next hunt in a different spot.

I'll probably change up the Bias and speed site dependent but 2 and 2 was working well for me yesterday.

Tom

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4 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

If bronze cents are coming in that low, where are Zincolns?

 

and IH's that normally hit 19-20?  add in the bouncers with negative numbers that are non-ferrous targets in hiding.  It's a jungle out there!

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On 10/1/2019 at 1:49 PM, Flowdog said:

 running F2@9 sounded like I had cotton in my earphones. 

Well said but it's doing a remarkable job up at the high settings--killing even alloyed slag.  Looking at Steves chart didn't realize that it was an expanded range on both ends = better drawing of targets out of iron???  My intital "cap beater" F26+ range tests (In 2 tone to liven it up--take the cotton...) were impressive and seemed to offer a good solution for those brutal slag and cap infested beaches.  Much as I like to complain I open my mouth and nothing comes out...!!!

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31 minutes ago, cjc said:

Well said but it's doing a remarkable job up at the high settings--killing even alloyed slag.  Looking at Steves chart didn't realize that it was an expanded range on both ends = better drawing of targets out of iron???  My intital "cap beater" F26+ range tests (In 2 tone to liven it up--take the cotton...) were impressive and seemed to offer a good solution for those brutal slag and cap infested beaches.  Much as I like to complain I open my mouth and nothing comes out...!!!

I still like to complain, in general, but certainly not about this F2 implementation.  Still working it out, but I am liking F2 5 as a sweet spot over my tried and true FE 0.  Will give it a workout in some mineralized, iron infested relic sites in about three weeks and will learn a lot more about it.  Can't wait.

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I believe the key to success with the new F2 mode is mitigating audio fatigue.  The other day I was hunting an old beat to death site with good success using F2 2 and recovery speed 4.  Anything lower than 4 was overload for my ears and what I mean by that is the slightly longer drawn out iron responses creating a cacophony of noise.  I was hunting at my normal sweep speed as well.

Note: watch out for old nickels hitting just below the normal nickel 12-13 bounce.  Got a 1905 V that was mostly a solid 12 but bouncing to 11 as well with a bit of iron in the plug directly above the nickel.  Reminded me of the Fisher CZ 5 where you dig all nickel foil bouncers in old sites and parks.  I have had good success on old nickels using park 1.  Tom D had stated Park 1 is good for nickels and he's correct on that IMO.

 

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