Jump to content

Equinox Fe Poll  

83 members have voted

  1. 1. Do you use the Fe setting, F2 setting, both, or none? Follow up posts explaining your poll vote will provide important information. I'd ask people make a little extra effort on this one. Thanks.

    • I use the Fe settings exclusively
      9
    • I use the F2 settings exclusively
      52
    • I use both settings depending on the situation (please explain below)
      5
    • I use whatever the default settings are for each mode
      17


Recommended Posts

17 hours ago, midalake said:

SO TODAY.  I switched from FE-6 to F2-6 for the last hour.  I did not see any real difference in operating.  It almost seemed F2 let the peso coins wrap around a little more.  I will flip back and fourth more this week including on some more non-ferrous hits and see what happens.  

 

Since F2 has a wider range, switching from FE-6 to F2-6 only raised the Iron Bias by a very slight margin. I wouldn't expect there to be any noticeable change.

The difference between FE and F2 is that F2 allows you to go beyond the range of FE in both directions, higher and lower. There is really no logical reason to stay with FE.

FE had a limited range.  F2 corrected that.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Replies 57
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

What Badger is saying is that F2 6 is not the same as FE 6 but they are close in magnitude (strength) although other aspects of the two filters may be different. This is another way to look at it

When Minelab first added the F2 iron bias I didn't like it. I think because of what I was reading on how it compared to the FE iron bias and I tried to adjust my settings for F2 based on what I was re

Do you use the Fe setting, F2 setting, both, or none? Follow up posts explaining your poll vote will provide important information. I'd ask people make a little extra effort on this one. The poll is f

Posted Images

I use the Fe2 setting

if I am hunting around old houses or a park my typical settings will start with:

Park 1

Fe2 = 2

Recovery = 4

Sensitivity = max or as close to max without instability 

noise cancel / cell phone off

these settings provide the best separation, unmasking and depth.  If the ground is wet / saturated, these settings will usually result in recovering a lot of deep rusty nails, bent nails and pieces of nails, rusty bits of iron.  If this occurs, I will modify my settings to:

Park 1

Fe2 = 4

Recovery = 6

Sensitivity = max or a close to max without instability.

noise cancel / cell phone off.

Rich 

Link to post
Share on other sites

After using ML FBS machines for so many years, F2-0 IM feels like an old friend to me.    I’m finding difficult, elusive oldies in all my normal hunt sites (mostly parks/schools), while only digging minimal iron.  I feel like I’m not missing any deep non-ferrous targets while in F2-0. I’m sure glad this IM filter was added to the Equinox.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

When I first got my 600 I ran the FE at 0 after experimenting with it.  Since the F2 option came out I’ve switched to running F2 of 0 and haven’t switched since. 50 tones and low recovery speed really gives an intelligible sound to commingled targets, once you get used to it anyway. 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Some folks are wondering what this poll is about. If I had to guess, I'd guess there is an update coming and ML needs extra memory space to accomodate new code so they are trying to find out if it's safe for them to dump FE in favor of FE2 to make more space, which would probably have something to do with the new Coiltek coils. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Link to post
Share on other sites
45 minutes ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

Some folks are wondering what this poll is about. If I had to guess, I'd guess there is an update coming and ML needs extra memory space to accomodate new code so they are trying to find out if it's safe for them to dump FE in favor of FE2 to make more space, which would probably have something to do with the new Coiltek coils. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

I don't think ML has any influence over what is posted on this site. 

Do you think ML would ask Steve to do a poll, then order him to not tell anyone that the information from the poll is for ML?

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/4/2021 at 6:10 AM, Badger-NH said:

The difference between FE and F2 is that F2 allows you to go beyond the range of FE in both directions, higher and lower. There is really no logical reason to stay with FE.

FE had a limited range.  F2 corrected that.

Well I don't know???/  It seems there are many here that think FE-2 has some magical sauce?  So I ran both FE's yesterday in 6 and checked some more ferrous and non ferrous targets.  Seems like at the beach there is no difference right now. I will keep toggling back and forth for a few more days.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, midalake said:

Well I don't know???/  It seems there are many here that think FE-2 has some magical sauce?  So I ran both FE's yesterday in 6 and checked some more ferrous and non ferrous targets.  Seems like at the beach there is no difference right now. I will keep toggling back and forth for a few more days.  

What Badger is saying is that F2 6 is not the same as FE 6 but they are close in magnitude (strength) although other aspects of the two filters may be different.

This is another way to look at it:

image.png.bd9525263ceb925ca963b769b9ca4b7b.png

Steve explains further here.

Steve did some testing here.

Big takeaways for me:

  • F2 has greater range of adjustability than FE.
  • FE=0 does not "turn off" iron bias it minimizes the filter in Multi IQ.  Similarly, I suspect that F2=0 does not completely remove iron bias but the effect of the iron bias filter is less in F2=0 vs  FE=0, so for you purists out there that want to minimize IB filtering in multi, you are better off switching to F2=0.  Only single frequency operation truly completely removes iron bias.
  • Iron bias (either FE or F2) does not appear to noticeably affect depth performance.
  • FE appears to really counter recovery speed which means it is more susceptible to making non-ferrous targets adjacent to ferrous targets sound ferrous.  In other words, it is more subject to masking. F2 seems to have much less propensity to doing this.  What really may be happening is the FE filter is either less efficient (meaning it takes more processing power than F2) or it is a "slow" filter- either way, higher FE settings appear to make the detector less able to recover than lower settings, hence more masking.  F2 seems to recover quickly even at high settings.
  • Bottom line:  I use F2 exclusively, and keep F2 at the ML provided default setting of 6 and sometimes adjust it down to 4.

 

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

Iron Bias FE is ... it's a pretty coarse iron damping filter ... and it's pretty imperfect ...

F2 .... is more optimized and does not interfere as much with the 2D a 3D separation properties of Equinox ... and is more effective on bottlecap .. than the FE setting...

F2 is, in my opinion, the result of the development of the Iron bias setting in Vanquish ...- which has Iron bias very effective in eliminating Bottlecap...

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

I keep forgetting that Iron Bias only works in Multi.

That's why nothing happens when I try to adjust it in the single frequencies. I need to write that on a piece of masking tape and stick it to the machine so I don't forget.

I don't use Multi much. The single frequencies get considerably more depth in my mild soil.

I still keep it at 0 most of the time, so even those times when I do use Multi, I don't recall ever digging so much iron that I felt like raising it.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Similar Content

    • By Gerry in Idaho
      Was swinging the EQ-800 the other day and hit this nice specimen.  
      I realize all the love is for the new GPX-6000, but come on, the reality is most folks can't afford it.
      There is still plenty people having fun with the VLF's.




    • By Rick N. MI
      I really like the coil. It has a sharp detecting edge and is fast. It was nice out. Was 55F. I went to field next to an old school house where I've gotten old coins before. I went to a different area. There was emi and used 15 khz and it ran smooth with sensitivity 24, 2 tone, recovery 4 (should have used 6, lots of iron), Iron bias F2 0. The single tones run so smooth. 
      Only one keeper, maybe drawer pull?
       


    • By Gerry in Idaho
      I like detecting for a variety of gold and really enjoy finding the stuff many higher end detectors can't see.  I don't know yet, but feel the extra capabilities of the GPX-6000 will open up some of these areas I hunt with the VLF's to get even more of the gold and at greater depths or in worse soil conditions.  As long as I am getting more gold, I'm happy.  Will the new GPX-6000 see this kind of gold or act like all other PI's and the ZED and not see at all?
      I recently recovered this 4.2 gram speci with the EQ-800 while running the new CoilTek NOX 15" round.  My goal was to find a piece of gold with the 15" and I met that goal.
      Part of some other testing back at base proved why I still like to take 2 detector technologies in the field.  This particular beauty was found right in the middle of a GPZ-7000 grid area, along with 4 others while using different coils on the EQ-800.  All 5 pieces specimens have visible gold and a couple how quite a bit, but to the point.
      The reason I found them in that gridded area, is because the GPZ-7000 does not respond or on a couple right near 1" and that's it.  I teach folks this in my classes, as well as try to educate others on the goods and the bads of different detectors and technologies.  Sometimes I get detectorists who are good hunters with their detectors and have success, tell me I'm full of BS and their detector will find it.
      I made a post on my FB (Gerry McMullen) and shared a pic of the find along with the true comments of, the GPZ will not see it.  Between the private messages and or public posts, I was immediately informed by a few of BS and even told how I must not know the GPZ-7000.  One well known GP-3500 hunter even said he guaranteed his 3500 would hear it.  
      I know gold detectors and I know how to find gold with a variety of gold machines.  No I am not the best, but I most certainly can hold my own and I learn to adapt really fast to a new area.  Traveling to different states and countries to hunt for and find many different kinds of gold has helped elevate my detector knowledge and skill of many models of detectors and the differing Au rocks I have collected. 
      So here is hoping the GPX-6000 with it's GeoSensing can respond to this little beauty.  If it does, I know of some areas I'll be swinging the 6000.  If it is like the GP-3500, the GPX-5000 and the GPZ-7000 and misses it, that fine too, I know what they can't see and realize it,  I will also know where not to use the 6000.
      Bottom line for everyone.  Please learn the kinds of gold your detector is good at finding and what it is not, so you aren't wasting time  in those areas.  Or be sure you have at least 2 different detector technologies.

    • By dogodog
      My day started by taking my wife to breakfast and a trip to a local greenhouse. On our way back we drove by a place I have wanted to hunt for a while and couldn't because the owners were just not to friendly. But low and behold I noticed some new house development signs. I did a quick title search and found out it was sold and being developed very soon. So I grabbed my stuff and headed back to this 1830's house. Today was the first day since I got the 800 I could spend more than an hour and a half detecting. My first two hours were a pretty much a bust except a cool silver plate spoon and my wife texting me to see if I found anymore jewelry? (NO) I was getting a little frustrated and decided to focus on a small strip of grass (three feet wide) next to the driveway and an overgrown pasture. After five feet  I got an OK 28-29 signal that was kind of bouncy. First good coin popped out a 1905 barber quarter (yes) Things were looking up. I jumped across the driveway and hunted near a rather young pine tree. Two swings and boom a 24-26 and out comes a 1919 mercury. Things are getting interesting. I stood up after digging the merc, swung again got 23-24 at 9 inches out comes a coin that had me wondering what the hell is that. after a little quick cleaning I realized I had a 1832 classic head 1/2 cent. But this was no ordinary 1832 this has an over stamp with a cross and the initials FZ. It seems that it was stamped early in its life. I'm wanting to know if anyone has ever found a coin with stampings? I have found a lot of good coins, but this has now become my favorite. The day came to an end and I had to go and enjoy some burgers on the grill. 
      Almost forgot the spoon, Its an american airlines made in the 1930's with the shape of a dc-3 and the words flagship on it.








    • By dogodog
      Went to a local park today after work. Only had a couple of hours to detect and test out my new home made arm cuff. I wasn't a big fan of the plastic, and it was a little too wide and flexy for me. At this point I only have about 5 hours on the 800. The first hour today netted me a handful of clad and some misc. corroded zinc. The next hour was the same thing clad and junk. With only 15 minutes to chicken parm, I got a really nice 28-29, not expecting anything great, I proceeded to find out what it was. For a split second I thought it was another odd piece of stainless, But I quickly saw Tiffany and co. Wooooo Hoooooo. Now I had a good excuse for being a little late for dinner. My wife would never get mad for a Tiffany ring. It is about 6.16 grams and polished to like new. Oh and the cuff was a winner too. fits my arm and no slop. I made it out of an old no parking sign and the factory bottom section. It took me a few hours to create, but I'm happy with it. Have to give a shout out to Kac for the hand digger, Still works great and hasn't failed me yet.






    • By dogodog
      Well after a long frustrating wait for Nokta's  multi frequency machine, I could no longer wait or hold out. I received my new equinox 800 on the 19th and did some air tests and made a list of the VDI's and played with flipping the tones for my liking. After thinking the machine was just OK with some of my basic testing, It was time to run across the street to give it a run. I will tell you all that I have hunted this area to death with my MK. ( or so I thought) I only had 90 minutes to give its first test.  I decided to dig every target with an 18 or higher VDI.  Just trying to decifer my new sounds. First 5 min. netted some clad, but the next 85 broke all my records. first 3 coins after the clad were large cents, the next was a draped bust 1/2 cent (bucket 1) The next was a paper thin copper with a shield, could it be? Yes it was a New Jersey copper. I have been chasing this coin for years (bucket 2). Then a single button and an Israeli 1/2 shekel (not sure how that got there). I only had a few minutes left to hunt when I got a faint 18 on the nox and hit a button at 10 inches, But that wasn't all this hole had to give. It was like a button slot machine, 12 in all and total of 15 inches down. My wonderful wife called and I had to leave for dinner. I have to say the most impressive feature on the nox is the noise cancel, It made the site come back to life. As for settings, Park 1, sensitivity 17, and custom tone breaks and t1 - 1  t2- 25  t3 - 15  t4 - 10  t5 - 5  Tone sounds, I run them to get low tones on copper targets. Sounds odd I know, but it works for me. Have to say I'm impressed with the first 90 minutes I've run the 800.









×
×
  • Create New...