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  1. I believe the MX Sport and MX7 share the same basic circuit board. In other words, a board designed to fit in a MX7 should also fit in the MX Sport housing. So in theory at least you could make a waterproof version of the Goldmaster 24K. Here is the MX Sport circuit board. Note the coil, speaker, power, etc connections are the same locations as what you see above. This is probably the board White's would like to use in every model they make and they are moving that way. I think the MX Sport and MX7 were supposed to replace the MXT entirely but that has not happened quite yet. The 24K will probably lead to a swift demise of the GMT however. As White's makes fewer and fewer metal boxes the pressure grows to retire them completely. White's will make them as long as people will buy them and a profit can be made, but the days of the White's black metal boxes are surely numbered. Click for larger version.....
  2. You can't really tell from the photos but the GMT circuit board occupies the entire control box dimensions whereas the GMK board fits entirely in the display pod. Where you draw the line between digital and analog is mostly opinion, since the GMT/MXT do run a lot of assembly code. I suspect that code is not all that well documented and even the original designers might have an interesting time getting back into it. And they no longer work for White's. Some things you are better off just starting over from scratch. White's GMT circuit board.... White's Goldmaster 24K (GMK) circuit board....
  3. It's not that easy Simon. Shrinking things physically is not the issue. The GMT and MXT were designed at the dawn of microprocessor integration into detector technology and still incorporate a lot of analog circuitry. The way everything works is a combination of microprocessor programs and analog circuits. New machines are running almost entirely in software now, and trying to write programs that emulate what older detectors do is no easy task. At best you are creating a simulation that is close but not the same. There is a lot of nuance in a detector that does not carry over when the shift is made from analog to digital. This is not speculation on my part. I have had interesting discussions with detector engineers on the challenges involved. The bottom line is that while you could say an MX Sport is an MXT in a different housing, anyone running one would know they are different detectors. And anyone running a new Goldmaster 24K is going to know in minutes that it's not just a slimmed down GMT. That is a good thing!
  4. In my opinion the Goldmaster 24K is a truly new detector, not a GMT in a different box. It is not possible to use the GMT circuit board - way too big. It is far more likely this is a variant of the MX5 family, as are the MX Sport and MX7. Or an entirely new circuit pressed onto MX5 size boards, with the GMT as inspiration. Boosting voltage to the coil by over 50% will make this detector act more like a Minelab Gold Monster than a GMT - extremely high gain. This causes issues with ground and hot rocks, leading to a new ground balance system that attempts to keep this kind of power under control. Yet with far more options than the Gold Monster and with a standard threshold based all metal style performance that most experienced people will appreciate. Note that the boost in coil voltage will require that the coil be built to tighter tolerances, and so just like the MX Sport it is unlikely existing GMT compatible coils will work properly on the GMK. There is that new connector again, and even if you used an adapter, the old coils are likely to overload, though a few here and there might work. So while for sales purposes you might say this is a GMT in a new package, that is no more true than it is of people saying the MX Sport is an MXT in a new package. Nope, new detectors. They may be based on and inspired by the earlier models, but they do act differently and need new coils - that means new detector in my opinion. I look forward to getting my hands on the Goldmaster 24K and giving it a spin in the fall. Looks like presales in August so that might mean not until September before I get one. It is on my list of things to do however. I can't get much interested in detectors that are truly a new packaging job (like the TDI SL Special Edition) if I have already run one of the variants. Something genuinely new I like to try however. I have handled the MX7 package and physically I like it, lightweight and perfect balance, with a grip that suits my hands at least. And watching the video I really liked the audio I was hearing from the GMK - seemed very smooth and clean, nice tone for my ear. A 14" elliptical would be nice but not if based on the existing Jimmy Sierra mold - that needs to get retired. A smaller "Shooter" 4" x 6" coil is almost a given, but it also could be thinner. Fisher has it right with the Gold Bug 2 coils - thin, durable, and knock resistant.
  5. The Fisher F19 was introduced in 2014 and is still in production. It was originally released in two "Limited Edition" models that feature a camouflage paint scheme, one in green and one in pink. There are no other differences between the Ltd models and the standard black and gold model finally released in late 2015 except for a slightly lower price. The Fisher F19 is basically a Fisher Gold Bug Pro enhanced with additional features to make it more appealing as an all around detector. The F19 is mainly targeting the relic hunting market. The features revolve around enhancing the discrimination capabilities for working in sites with heavy ferrous trash. In particular, the ability to adjust the volume of the ferrous tones has been welcomed by many. A backlight has also been added for working in low light conditions. First Texas, the company that owns Fisher, also markets this detector under the Teknetics brand as the Teknetics G2+. The main difference is the Teknetics model uses the pistol grip rod and handle from the Teknetics T2 instead of the "S" rod utilized on the F19. Fisher F19 Black and gold variant with 6" x 10" DD coil The extra features do not really add to the ability of the F19 to perform as a nugget detector but neither do they detract from that capability, and some people may prefer this detector to the Gold Bug Pro due to the extra versatility. In particular those wishing to have the 5" x 10" DD coil as the primary and only coil for the detector will be interested because this currently is the only model in the series that comes with this coil as standard equipment.\I am a big fan of the Gold Bug Pro but if I was to buy another one new today I would personally be looking at the F19 or G2+. I may not have a pressing need for the extra features, but I would rather have options and not need them then find a time when I want the option and don't have it! These machines have been offered periodically at very steep discounts, and so with careful shopping you can get an F19 for not much more than a Gold Bug Pro, especially once you consider the coil options. Fisher F19 with 11" DD Coil Option and Teknetics G2+ variant Official Fisher F19 Page Fisher F19 User Review Page Fisher F19 Instruction Manual Difference Between Gold Bug, F19, and G2+ Forum Threads Tagged "fisher f19" First Texas (Fisher) Metal Detector Forum Fisher F19 Technical Specifications* Internet Price $449.00 Technology Induction Balance (IB) Transmit Frequency 19 kHz Autotune Mode(s) Pre-Set Slow Motion Ground Rejection Manual Touch Pads with Grab Function Soil Adjust No Discrimination One turn control, Visual ID, Tone ID, Notch Disc Volume Control Yes Threshold Control One turn control Tone Adjust No Audio Boost No Frequency Offset No Pinpoint Mode Yes Audio Output 1/4" headphone socket & speaker Hip Mount No Standard Coil(s) 5" x 10" DD or 7" x 11" DD Optional Search Coils Many accessory coils available Battery One 9V Operating Time 15 hours Weight 2.6 pounds Additional Technology Meter backlight, ferrous volume control, adjustable tone breakpoint between ferrous and non-ferrous Notes Available in green camo and pink camo or standard black & gold *Notes on Technical Specifications - Detailed notes about the specifications listed in this chart.
  6. The following information is from a screenshot from a First Texas distributor meeting? posted here. Please note that the pictured mockup of a detector displaying "Thor's Hammer" is pure fantasy and not what anyone is working on at First Texas. That image was created just to stir up interest i.e. "clickbait". The rest however appears legitimate. Here is the text from the posted screenshot: CZX - Fisher and Teknetics This machine is ground breaking technology Turn on and go 2 frequency - 9:1 ratio No need to ground balance or adjust the detector to the environment It automatically senses the ground and makes changes accordingly. First detector birthed from this platform is a gold unit priced around $1000, but deeper than current VLF, this detector will also see through red dirt, and highly mineralized soil. From this platform other machines will develop. We intend to develop the CZX and MOSCA platforms to offer more machines in the $1000 to $2000 range than have ever been available. Target release 2016 We have senior engineer Dave Johnson on this project The information was leaked and so must be taken with a grain of salt but it looks genuine and matches up with statements made by various First Texas representatives online in the last couple years. Obviously the 2016 timeframe is long past. Fisher has more or less acknowledged this information as genuine but it was never intended to be leaked for obvious reason - stuff happens and delays are the norm in the metal detector industry. In fact, many planned detectors never make it to market for one reason or another. I think the information was genuine but that unexpected delays occurred. Nobody outside First Texas really knows the full story. However, here is a quote from Carl Moreland on June 27, 2018: "We have stuff in the works but I can't tell you to delay a purchase based on "it's in the works." The Equinox convinced a whole lotta people to sell their AT Pro, my goal is to come out with something that convinces a whole lotta people to sell their Equinox." The latest information as of June of 2018 is that First Texas (Fisher parent company) is hard at work on new models, with the most likely new product to appear being a new beach detecting pulse induction model currently referred to as the Aqua Manta. Work also continues on new multifrequency devices, but 2019 is now looking like the earliest probable date for those machines. A CZX type machine would be great for the Africa market by being turn on and go. The relic hunters in Virginia and elsewhere should like it. If weight and balance are right, I am going to love it as I have been pounding the table for a machine like this for years. I would like to see something with at least Minelab SD type performance in a lightweight affordable package but at $1000 it simply needs to beat the White's TDI. The biggest question I have is how small a nugget can it detect? At $1000 this machine would be the natural next step up for any prospector using a VLF who has not made the plunge into PI. The old CZ is dual frequency running at 15 kHz and 5 kHz, a 3:1 ratio. Staying at 5 kHz for the low end a 9:1 ratio figures at 45 kHz and 5 kHz. Until recently a machine with no ground balance adjustment (automatic tracking only) would have raised eyebrows, but the Minelab SDC 2300 and Gold Monster have now paved the way in that regard. Dave Johnson always likes power combined with simplicity and good ergonomics, and that bodes well for this detector. The "Mosca" model looks to be aiming mid-way between the Garrett AT Pro and Minelab CTX 3030 with a multi-frequency all terrain model. The AT Pro has been wildly successful and it only makes sense to emulate that success. The new Minelab Equinox notwithstanding, there is still plenty of room for innovation in this market segment. 10/1/2018 - The CZX saga finally comes to an end. This exchange took place on the forum regarding the CZX with responses by Carl Moreland (Geotech) of First Texas: "So it was a no go, a dead end or did it lead to the discovery of something potentially greater?" "Didn't give the results we were looking for. So dead-end, more or less." Forum Thread About The CZX First Texas (Fisher) Metal Detector Forum Fisher CZX Technical Specifications* Internet Price "Around $1000" Technology Induction Balance (IB) Transmit Frequency Dual Frequency 9:1 ratio Autotune Mode(s) Automatic Ground Rejection Automatic Soil Adjust Automatic Discrimination ? Volume Control ? Threshold Control ? Tone Adjust ? Audio Boost ? Frequency Offset ? Pinpoint Mode ? Audio Output ? Hip Mount ? Standard Coil(s) ? Optional Search Coils ? Battery ? Operating Time ? Weight ? Additional Technology "Ground breaking technology" Notes *Notes on Technical Specifications - Detailed notes about the specifications listed in this chart.
  7. I have two pair of those Bose earbuds because they don't fall out of my ear like many of them. The only thing better would be ones that have moldable ear pieces for a custom fit to your ear canal. I had a friend had some like that and it seemed like the way to go... so I have not done it yet! They make these with an integrated volume control for cell phones, but they cost over twice as much as the old models without the volume control. Google "bose soundsport" for lots of options.
  8. http://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/6026-treasure-talk-dealing-with-bottle-caps/
  9. The way you describe it the stuff could have been leaves accumulated underwater that looked like coins. Or maybe a concentration of coins. Who knows? It is a mystery and all you can do is go detect it and see what you find. Good luck!
  10. Mike was also the final person that suggested a "Introduce Yourself" forum and so here we are - thanks Mike!
  11. Thanks Mac, and welcome to the forum. And lucky you... not a lot of spouses interested in this stuff!
  12. OK, I have been involved in a two month makeover and upgrade process for this website. The main goal is to get rid of all the old portions of the website so everything is a common format, look and feel throughout the site. This will insure all pages render properly on any device from a small phone to a large screen PC. This put additional load on the existing hardware resources, and the website has bogged down considerably in the last month. I could count the seconds waiting for a page to load, and error messages were too common. This morning the site was upgraded to a new server with both upgraded software and hardware. For my part I am seeing massively better performance now, pages loading almost instantly and everything just much snappier. How does it seem to you? Better? No difference? Worse? Let me know if you see any glitches starting this morning - anything before today does not matter any more. The process is not quite done. I have about 50 more old pages to convert, and my goal is to have this done before the end of next week. There are more performance tweaks I can undertake but with if the site stays as fast as it is now the benefits will probably not be as noticeable if at all. The most visible upgrade I will do soon will be to convert everything to SSL secure communications to bring the site up to current recommended standards. That may cause a little turmoil with images served from outside sources but I expect any disruption there to be minimal Been a fair bit of work and I always stress a little before server moves, etc. However, the benefits should be considerable moving forward both for me as admin and for all you as members. Thanks again for your patience during this process!
  13. It seems to me the last couple years that making decent jewelry finds has been much more difficult for me. I attributed to a run of poor luck (it happens) but too many other people are reporting the same thing. I think reality is that as we clean up beaches of the good older stuff, that new drops are becoming much fewer both in number and quality. People are both getting smarter about losing jewelry and also switching to types of jewelry that are nearly worthless (titanium, carbide, etc.).
  14. http://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/5325-replacement-hips-knees/
  15. Posted by White's Electronics on June 25 - This video is an introduction to the new Goldmaster® 24k nugget detector. White's Goldmaster 24K Product Specifications Page
  16. Yeah, and since Carl is the “new guy” at First Texas, he can hardly answer for what went on before his watch. It takes time to turn the “ship”. White’s loss was First Texas gain.
  17. Interesting thing about the Gold Monster is it was designed for Africa and I have to assume the vast majority are sold there. And while the machine has done well in the U.S. I get the impression the Aussies have generally decided it is not up to their mineralization? Whatever, the point being that unless a company has some kind of African distribution network then producing an accessory coil for the Gold Monster might not be a great idea.
  18. Nice to see a little local gold - somebody needs to give that kiwi guy some competition - good job Norm!!
  19. I believe the concept would work fine where all the processing gets done in the coil itself, and the phone is just a tuning or reporting mechanism. Many Deus owners get everything set up, then put the controller in their pocket. With a properly designed machine you don't need to look at the screen every minute. This is inevitable and is going to happen. It really is just a matter of who does it "right" before anyone else.
  20. I hear you Tom - new stuff is always preliminary information, subject to change. Speaking of which, here is the new White's Goldmaster 24K specifications page - a work in progress and it will be updated and corrected as new informations comes out. http://www.detectorprospector.com/magazine/steves-reviews/whites-goldmaster-24k-r164/
  21. Rege-PA just reported on the DP Forum that a new White's detector is on the way - the White's Goldmaster 24K. I have put a specification page together for the new model and will update it as information becomes available. In short it looks like an updated and slimmed down version of the GMT put into the new MX7 packaging. There is now a backlit LCD display with target id information, advanced ground tracking technology, dual tones, and more. The new Goldmaster 24K comes with both rechargeable batteries and a battery holder for eight AA batteries. The stock coil is the 6" x 10" DD and there is a two coil package option with the 6" x 10" DD and a 6" round concentric. The White's Goldmaster 24K announcement is so new that there are sure to be changes and updates to this page very soon - all information and specifications are subject to change! Check out the new White's Goldmaster 24K specification page Detailed Review Of White's New Goldmaster 24K White's Goldmaster 24K & GMT Compared New White's Goldmaster 24K metal detector
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