Wayfarer Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Tnsharpshooter said: Comparing the 800 model to 600 model, one will notice the different span of setting here on the 800 vs the 600 model. So, question are these settings the (0-3) the same actually performance effect wise between the 2 models the same, or is the span with each model reflected different with the 800 model allowing for more fine tuning (more in between settings from highest to lowest)? Or does the 800 model offer actually 5 additional settings (higher) here over the level 3 setting for actual effects the 600 model doesn't? My guess would be that like with the Recovery Speed settings, it gives both a wider range higher and lower as well as finer in-between settings. So 1=2, 2=4, 3=6 or something similar. My other guess is that the Iron Bias setting is a filter setting that allows some of the iron signal to bleed through even though it is being discriminated against. When slow hunting for deep coins, for example, you might want to opt for a higher level of "bleed through" to get stronger signals on deep high conductors that have both a tendency to wrap and read as iron. The opposite situation would be cherry picking in heavy iron where depth is not as important and you can adjust to make sure the iron gets fully disc'd out. Just a guess, of course, but it's probably something along those lines. This would be a very useful adjustment. This is yet one more reason to choose the 800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase Goldman Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Wayfarer said: My guess would be that like with the Recovery Speed settings, it gives both a wider range higher and lower as well as finer in-between settings. So 1=2, 2=4, 3=6 or something similar. My other guess is that the Iron Bias setting is a filter setting that allows some of the iron signal to bleed through even though it is being discriminated against. When slow hunting for deep coins, for example, you might want to opt for a higher level of "bleed through" to get stronger signals on deep high conductors that have both a tendency to wrap and read as iron. The opposite situation would be cherry picking in heavy iron where depth is not as important and you can adjust to make sure the iron gets fully disc'd out. Just a guess, of course, but it's probably something along those lines. This would be a very useful adjustment. This is yet one more reason to choose the 800. At least as far as recovery speed adjustment is concerned, I am hoping all you are getting is fewer settings (less fine control) and not a compressed range because this would potentially mean that the 600 couldn’t achieve the recovery speed of the 800, which to me seems like unnecessary artificial crippling of 600 performance, though I suppose you could say the same about lack of Gold Mode and 20/40 kHz indivusl frequency selection, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Herschbach Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Detect Speed (Recovery Speed or Reactivity) ranges from 1 to 3 on the Equinox 600 and 1 to 8 on the Equinox 800. Here are how the Detect Speed settings map one against the other: 600 800 - 1 1 2 - 3 2 4 - 5 3 6 - 7 - 8 All lack of function or adjustments on the Equinox 600 is intentional to create a simpler to operate, less expensive alternative to the Equinox 800. The settings on the 600 could be described as the most common likely settings. The additional range in settings as offered on the Equinox 800 are less likely to be used due to the extremity of the machine response at those levels, and as such they can be regarded as “Pro” settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tnsharpshooter Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 So maybe we could could expect a similar matching with the iron bias setting comparing the 2 models. Just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnysalami1957 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Bias, prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair. So I would think in this instance the Equinox would favor other metals over iron in some modes. Remember Joan Bias or Biez I can't remember! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Herschbach Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tnsharpshooter said: So maybe we could could expect a similar matching with the iron bias setting comparing the 2 models. Possibly. I don’t know at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase Goldman Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said: Detect Speed (Recovery Speed or Reactivity) ranges from 1 to 3 on the Equinox 600 and 1 to 8 on the Equinox 800. Here are how the Detect Speed settings map one against the other: 600 800 - 1 1 2 - 3 2 4 - 5 3 6 - 7 - 8 All lack of function or adjustments on the Equinox 600 is intentional to create a simpler to operate, less expensive alternative to the Equinox 800. The settings on the 600 could be described as the most common likely settings. The additional range in settings as offered on the Equinox 800 are less likely to be used due to the extremity of the machine response at those levels, and as such they can be regarded as “Pro” settings. Thanks, Steve. This info is as valuable as the gold the Equinox will find. The way this is laid out, I conclude the 600 will be slower than 800 at its fastest setting and cannot be the throttled back as much as the 800 to trade recovery speed for depth. Where 90% of users will typically set the machines, however, the recovery speed performance will be the same. On the Deus I have never used either extreme recovery speed (0 or 5). That being said, like having the additional options “just in case”, therefore, yet another reason I will be getting the 800 and one of the more significant performance differentiators that further justify the price delta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachHunter Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Iron Bios could be similar to “balance” Gain? like when setting the bios on an amp tube. I could be way off though. Maybe something to do with the audio as in Iron Audio? The filters adjust the balance of what you hear from the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tnsharpshooter Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Will also be interesting to see if this iron bias has any effects on salt water beach hunting. Stability wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewcon4414 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Hummm sounds like a form of iron mask like they used on BBS which allowed cond targets near iron to be heard. good tech on the Sov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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