Chase Goldman

Yes it can be done, but I have found dealing with all that claptrap just to be able to swing a coil in the water to be a royal pain. I much prefer a closed, wired purpose built solution (Equinox, Excal, etc) rather than having to work around wireless technology that is great on land but hindered in a water environment. Add to that, the limitations of any single frequency detector in salt vs. freshwater environments and I know what detector I am reaching for on a wet salt sand beach and it isn't my Deus/Orx - and I love my Deus.

Simplex is a great value but I would not recommend it as a first detector for most people. Calling it “Simplex” is a misnomer IMO, it has a myriad of unique and relatively advanced settings combined with a crowded user interface that can be daunting to someone just starting out with detecting. If this flames out your son’s interest in the hobby, that would be bad. What you are describing sounds like a likely hardware problem, so hopefully warranty repair can resolve the issue. I would recommend a Vanquish for a good, capable, and relatively inexpensive turn on and go detecting experience, but that would only really make sense if you could still return the Simplex. OTOH, if the Simplex gets fixed and you and your son can invest the time it takes to learn the detector, some of the more advanced features will be welcomed once you climb the learning curve. Regarding firmware, advancing to 2.78 vice reverting back might result in quieter and more stable operation. Nokta Simplex+ Version 2.78 software change summary: Updates Made : IF YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH THE INCREASED ID DEPTHS OF VERSION 2.76 OR 2.77, YOU DO NOT NEED TO INSTALL THIS UPDATE! ID stability and depths have been changed back to the same levels of version 2.68. This will NOT affect the overall depth and sensitivity of the device.

I like Steve's videos. Wouldn't know it from the videos that he's the marketing director for Garrett because he is really low key. He let's the detector do the talking which is as it should be. Liked the stability of the detector in the wet sand, surf. I noticed he really had no qualms just letting the detector fall onto even the wet sand. I wonder just how dunk proof the detector is. The headphone jack and speaker would be the weak links. Looks like Garrett has a solid, stable light duty beach hunting detector now.

Did you find the ring?

Developing the habit to regularly charge after each use (I have an XP wireless audio pinpointer) will prevent that occurrence, but if you already have a Carrot anyway, there's your backup and you still have the 9vdc spare on top of that. I always have a spare pinpointer in the truck and a backup detector if at a remote site. Don't need an equipment failure ruining a perfectly good day away from work and honey-do's.

I tripped on that one too. Think he meant Park 2 for trash, looks like a typo. With the 2.76 update: (New) Park 1 = More depth, slower recovery Park 2 (Old Park 1) = More separation, faster recovery less depth than Park 1 From the Nokta Website change log for version 2.76:

Precisely! Under specs Garrett lists Apex recovery speed as: Fast Target Separation/Recovery ✔ Garrett lists the AT Max as: Fast Recovery Speed ✔ Looks like they got it covered. The key is having an adjustable recovery speed so you can trade off depth vs. separation as the situation dictates. Deus/Orx/Equinox have that adjustment. That knob is missing on the Apex. Therefore, the manufacturer is going to dictate a middle ground that best balances depth vs. separation for most situations with Apex. Which also means that it likely will not rival the aforementioned machines in extreme iron situations. Simple as that.

Give pitch tones and full tones a go once you get those WS4's. I find pitch with iron volume to be a very useful mode in thick iron situations (use the Deus Fast program preset). Very Tesoro like. Of course pitch works better when you do have target ID to glance at. Full tones are great for working in modern aluminum trash. Modern aluminum trash tones for can slaw and broken tabs tend to vary as the coil comes off the target and that becomes more noticeable in full tones. Nickels and High conductive coins tend to have a more consistent tonality.

Don't see how this could be without any direct adjustment in recovery speed whatsoever unlike Deus, Orx, Equinox, and mode-based indirect recovery speed adjustment on Vanquish and even Simplex. I have asked Apex early test version users directly and they have confirmed this to be the case. No recovery speed adjustment direct or indirect on Apex. The coil can only help so much in this regard. Separation is primarily a function of recovery speed. Even with the recovery speed adjustments on the Nox, it IS hobbled by the limited coil selection in this regard.

Uh, yeah. Now that IS funny. [But I agree that Apex probably does not bring anything compelling to the table for you, though the accessory coil situation appears promising]

Look at GB's pics above. It is towards the NW below and to the right of the big dipper (it is moving up and left on subsequent days as it journeys further away from the sun). It is visible highest above the horizon at dusk and slowly moves towards the horizon as the evening progresses due to the earth's rotation.

Thanks for the video and welcome to the forum - I have found that this "trick" is highly dependent on the composition and condition of the crown cap. This doesn't work well on a pristine Corona crown cap but will work better on a rusted cap. Regardless of composition or corrosion, what I HAVE found to be a reliable "tell" for a bottle cap is that will always experience an iron grunt of the front or back edge of the coil if you wiggle off the target, provided you have iron volume on (a pure non-ferrous target will not give that grunt unless ferrous nearby or the ground is highly mineralized) - the grunt effect is more noticeable at higher operating frequency settings. Furthermore, if you listen carefully in your video, despite the similar visual target ID readings for the quarter and crown cap, to a Deus/Orx experienced ear, the audio is noticeably different. The crown cap gives a more distorted, hollow sound due to the ferrous content while the quarter gives the telltale sonar ping that leaves no doubt. Furthermore, the difference in behavior you noted between Coin Fast and Coin Deep is probably attributable to the fact that Coin Fast incorporates the Deus default silencer filter settings at the lower recovery speeds (you did not note your reactivity setting) while Coin Deep has silencer turned off for all reactivity settings. Silencer breaks up and somewhat mutes falsing ferrous, especially at higher frequencies. HTH.

These buds are not APTX-LL (unless I am mistaken, but the specs don't call it out and users have commented on that fact on on the Raycon site). If the BT symbol on your Equinox does not have a "+" sign after the symbol, then they are not low latency. They will work but you might find that when you are swinging your coil over a target, the delay may make it appear as if the coil is detecting two targets because you will hear the audio delayed in relation to the coil position during the swing. If this becomes an issue, you may have to switch back to the stock BT low latency phones or get a pair of low latency buds such as the Aukeys mentioned earlier by Jeff. To date, I have not seen ANY true wireless buds (both earpieces fully wireless and not connected to each other) that support APTX-LL. Good luck.

Can I give this more than one like. Steve? You hit the iron biased nail on the head. This is the kind of thing that drives me bonkers when I read about it on the web. NO FREE LUNCHES - exactly! Foks need to realize that, especially when it comes to filter settings like iron bias, notch, and discrimination, even ground balance that NO FILTER is perfect, no filter has perfectly vertical break points (they all slope), and use of a filter merely enables you to tip the scales one way or the other to balance competing effects to best suit your brain, ears, environment, and desired target objectives. In fact, metal detecting in general is all about balancing trade offs between competing elements - dig it all vs. cherry pick; coverage vs. depth vs.weight; discriminate or all metal; power vs. ergonomics; visual vs. audio target ID; and so on.

You need to run the Orx with an X35 coil at lower frequency (4 khz or 8 khz) han the minimum for the HF coil (13 KHZ) if you want better iron falsing on big iron. Similarly, run the Nox in single frequency at 5 or 10 khz.

First of all, ‘cache hunting’ with a non-two box type machine/coil is probably not really cache hunting (right tool for the job) despite the F75 having a non-motion cache mode. Regarding the Fisher 15” DD coil in particular, I had the Teknetics variant of that coil for my T2 and not only was it a boat anchor weight wise, it never really lived up to the depth performance you would expect from a 15” coil but admittedly I did not swing it much because I wasn’t interested in tearing up my shoulder and wrist. Completely ruins the best ergonomically designed and balanced metal detector I have ever used. You’d be better served by a large 3rd party coil from Detech (13” Ultimate or 15x12” SEF) if you wanted to run at max large target depth with the Fisher - great performance to weight ratio. There’s a reason you can get that Fisher 15” DD new for $120 now when it originally sold for about $349. First Texas was practically trying to give them away as part of their T2 DST feature upgrade offers. No experience with the Impact.

It's called demand. Just not enough of a potential sales base to support the investment. It is really a niche of niche - Only a small subset of hobbiest detectorists enter the water, only a subset of those dive. And fewer still make a living of it like you do.

Are you referring to the gold mode VCO audio otherwise not sure what you mean by this.

Totally agree with this. The 12x15" is really built for coverage, not much additional depth over the 11" and if you are concerned about junk target density, Chuck, having more targets under the coil because of the greater coil span, it might be counterproductive.

I have never relied on Equinox iron bias for crown caps. In my experience dealing with crown caps at the beach with the Nox, crown caps do give primarily high tones, so those less adept at picking up the telltale clues are often fooled. Specifically, they give notoriously unstable target ID readings and marked iron grunts off the coil edge when in AM. They are pretty easy to ID in that manner and I will usually move on without bothering to even scoop them to be certain. I have no reason to believe that the Vanquish would not behave similarly.

Steve - No worries. Ain't no way I am getting out for awhile anyway. Busy with stir crazy kids and work. Did get out a couple weeks back in 95F heat, found some keepers, but also started seeing stars too. Drank 10 bottles of water to keep hydrated. Luckily, the permethrin I sprayed on my trousers and socks worked as I did not bring any 8 legged hitch-hikers home. There is a reason I hunt the fields mostly in spring and fall and the beaches in summer. Fall sounds a lot better for a meet up if we can swing it. Safe travels back to OK.

Nice keepers, Steve. Sorry I missed out on your latest trip back east.

Steve - thanks for the report and pic. I take it you were running at 18 khz?

Makes sense, the swimmers itch larvae can't swim so they need something like that to stir them up and then allow them to attach onto people.

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