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As long as it’s way more sensitive to smaller targets than the TDIs, much lighter than the ATX, less susceptible to EMI than the GPX 6000 and is relatively easy to setup and use……..I will be happy.

Had a good day today lost track of how many nuggets I found. That's always a good thing, I suppose. 5.1 g. New hole is paying off.

I have a ton. We all agree on light weight clearly, good to see full carbon fiber or composite carbon fiber shafts. I personally hope it has a speaker. Headphones to me are just one extra thing to pack and take up space, I can't use them in grizzly and rattlesnake country anyways. A lightweight PI lends itself to exploration, and doing real exploration is not really something to be using headphones for and keeping track of constantly anyways since most signals are plain and obvious as I am the first coil on the ground - they should be an extra for those who want them, not a requirement for use IMO. Stable threshold also a major thing I'm looking for, and have been hoping for improvements in since I started gold detecting. I'd like to at least have an option for USB-C charging to catch up to the modern era and use the cables we have laying around already so forgetting a charger is never a problem. If the battery can't last more than 6-8 hours, a 2nd battery included would be nice. Rubberizing on the wear parts (control box feet, etc) You feel the weight of a detector more at the shaft/coil then the control box, so adding a few things like a speaker and rubberization on the control end is worth the extra 150 grams to me, as long as the coils and shafts are light. It'd be nice to use older GPX coils, but I'd like to see some newer coils made either by Garrett or one of the aftermarket manufacturers with attention to both performance and weight, modern high performance designs if the detector allows for such things. 10 grams saved on the coil end is worth 50 at the control box when it comes to swinging all day and RSI's. I press buttons with grubby, muddy, cold hands. Pay attention to interface (buttons, etc) quality and don't cut costs like Nokta did on the Fors Core with stuff that breaks instantly. Water resistant so I can use in rain/drizzle without worrying. Don't need water proof personally, especially if it makes coils lighter. Have whoever watches Facebook come pay attention to this forum and the things experienced prospectors are saying too, not just influencers. Communicate with your customers, address issues that come up, fix problems that might or might not appear instead of going radio silent. This stuff is huge to me. Quick turnaround for warranty repairs. At least a 2 year warranty minimum if it's a $2k detector. And my black swan wish for any detector from any company: an API to customize the firmware or functionality of the machine. Let me create my own timings, button interfaces etc. Maybe even the ability to make custom programs to share with others online. But I'm not holding my breath on that one, I just have to mention it any time these threads show up, just because.

So far in roughly a month of detecting at my claim I have 23.2 grams of gold. If today is another good day, I should get the few grams for an ounce.

I got the best performance with the ATX in my ground here in OZ with the standard DD. The ATX showed promise and could/did find gold even in hot ground, it took effort because of the weight and the need for max Gain but it could be done with care. It walked rings around the TDI. The point being Garrett are capable of making a pretty decent PI so this news is exciting.

Last night on a better tide I went back to a little patch I had found in the morning. In the morning I had found a few coins but no jewelry but I had a feeling with more beach I could do better. At night the parking lots near this beach are closed so I had to walk in about a mile but it proved to be worth it. Soon after arrival I found coins on the steep beach sides and just kept digging for over an hour. There was much more black sand than the beaches I normally hunt so I decided to change some settings. My first setting change was to move down from 23 on the sensitivity in Beach 1. That helped but then I decided I would try some F2 which is normally at 0 for me. Well, I'm here to tell you it worked like a charm. The 'noise' went away and I could hear the targets stand out. Soon after these changes I got a good clear 9 and was hopeful. It wasn't the 18-21s I had been getting or the 30s for quarters. Out popped a ring and in the light of my flashlight it looked to be golden but a little light. Bag it. Next target 2 feet away was a second ring. It looked like silver but maybe better so I bagged it. (The first ring had no markings and we think it is stainless. The second ring is marked P4SR. It is not a pure precious metal!) The 3rd little ring came along a bit later and it is not precious either. So I didn't have much, right? Well, not exactly. If you look closer at the picture there is a wirery looking chain. I knew it was silver but just thought it to be cheap. I didn't have my light on when I scratched it with my scoop. I was just using the half moon light at the time and just bagged it with the other stuff. I had loosened it a bit but thought it quite corroded. When I got it home and put some fresh water on it it was much more flexible. Then it was time clean it with the aluminum foil/vinegar/baking soda/salt. It blackened quickly and bubbled and then I was able to rub it with just baking soda. I could now see DY. I know that to be David Yurman from previous finds. It is a good feeling .925 chain that weighs in at 22 grams with a 26 inch length. That is when I was able to find the pattern and identify it as the Open Station Box Chain. It reminded me of my previous find so I looked it up here: The tag in the center was found several miles away but on July 22. That was 3 years ago. This new chain supports that pendant quite nicely. It makes for a nice combo.

My buddy Chuck pulled a 2.3 grammer out of his hole today. There has gotta be a bigger one lurking near my hole. Tomorrow is a new day.

I think it's best just to wait and see rather than presume we know what is inside the head of every African or potential prospector from around the World on which detectors they'd spend their money on. You don't know until it's sitting there waiting for them to buy if they'll buy it or not. If it suits their purpose at the right price for their wallet then it makes sense to give it a go. Their new detector appears by the photos of having a full carbon shaft so it's a possibility they're aiming for light weight, it sure looks light in the photo. They just have to get the price/performance ratio correct and it should be a good seller.

I'll keep an eye on this thread. Just a reminder - this is the Garrett Forum. You have nothing good to say about Garrett, take it to one of the other forums. This is for people who are interested in the new detector, and who are not interested in hearing the negative commentary. Count me in that group. I've had it with detector snobs and negative nellies, and will take great pleasure in nuking any that show up here. Please stay on topic, and let's not toss rocks at the other brands while doing this either. What do you hope to see in this detector, what is it you do see when it shows up, what is it you end up not seeing, or hope can be improved? You know, discuss this detector, and nothing else. Is that something that is still possible in this age of endless comparison videos, and arguments over this versus that? I think so, and I hope like minded people will pitch in and keep this all above board and friendly, like the good old days of the forums that I remember with fondness. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. Garrett Axiom Quick Facts, Owner's Manual, Etc.

Ground noise is part of the noise floor too though. Anything that isn't target (or otherwise desirable) signal is noise, technically speaking. Unless someone set out to specifically listen for ground noise to gain some info from it, which I know some people like to do. I usually can tell enough for my needs just by looking at the ground though, so I personally just consider ground all noise by default. Anyways, I'm not so convinced Geosense itself only alters ground related adjustments, and that there isn't more it's controlling, potentially RX circuit related beyond just ground effects. Simon mentioned something similar as a possibility some time ago, I'm guessing because the X Coil guys said something to him since it was right when he first bought the 6000 and the effect is kinda subtle to notice right away, especially if you are swinging slow and in mild ground. But after Simon mentioned it, I started paying more attention to the times and places it loses stability and I think it has something to do with both ground and EMI combined in some places because I can make it lose stability quicker in the same place when I'm swinging it vs letting it sit on the ground and slowly drift to unstable. And I can make it lose stability even quicker while swinging it if I'm going over conductive to hot to mild ground, especially swinging quick like exploring. It seems harder to do swinging slower and with less variable ground though. Dunno, maybe I'm just seeing patterns in clouds. But I feel pretty certain there is something else at work under the hood there, maybe some automation other than Geosense, which was my first thought before Simon mentioned it might be Geosense. It's definitely more pronounced using the speaker too. To me it feels like the 6000 just plain gets overwhelmed when there is just too many external stimuli, and loses some kind of equilibrium occasionally.

It good to see a real prospector's hand.😀 It shows that you deserve what you got and a lot more. 🤣

A few things to note, it obviously has wireless audio as if you look in the original picture the guy is wearing headphones with no cords, a good start there. The cam locks look good, I doubt the shaft will be twisting. The full carbon shaft is a nice touch. The detector itself doesn't look heavy, he's not wearing any turkey strap harnesses. I hope they've taken coils into consideration and come out with a small coil, mid size (in the photo) and a large coil right off from the release. Aftermarket coils will certainly be an option with this detector, they're not going to chip it so that brings a lot of possibilities. I agree if they can make it have a nice stable threshold and good EMI handling and GPX 5000 or even QED like performance they're heading the right direction and I'd be wanting one. It looks to have a nice size screen to adjust settings on, can't see what's going on under the arm cuff but whatever it is it can't be significantly large as I think it would be noticeable. The good thing is it's not long to wait to find out!!!!

I did a little nugget hunting in a California Gold Country hydraulic pit using the D2 with the latest update .7 and the 9" coil. As most nugget hunters know, hydraulic pits are a bugger to hunt, square nails and ferrous trash enough to drive you insane. I found a decent little spot of packed soil on top of the old cobbles. Probably a sluice cleanout spot or maybe the old timers were shoveling out a sluice raceway. Still littered with pieces of wire from steel cables and miscellaneous ferrous trash, but workable. The D2 update added a notch feature to the Goldfield and Relic programs. That feature allows you to notch out the ground which vastly improved the coil bump sensitivity. I notched 00 to 10 which also took out a majority of hotrocks. The hotrocks played havoc with my GPX6000, so I opted to stay with the D2. The smallest of nuggets I found had a TID in the high 20's, the bigger ones 30 to 40 range. 22 bullets TID in 50s. I had occasion to test swing over someone else's .26 oz nugget found that same day. That TID came in the US nickel range, mid 60's. I would have liked a 2nd notch to handle another type of hotrock that had a TID of 79. Well beyond gold nugget range yet still registering non-ferrous. Not sure what they were, but they were numerous and added a distracting high tone. I have used the NOX 800 with the Coiltek 5x9 coil for similar kind of nugget hunting. I think the NOX would still have an edge in these conditions, but I was impressed with how well behaved the D2 was with the new update. I recovered nuggets so small they will not register on my cheapo scale. If Deus builds their elliptical coil for the D2, it will be a very competitive VLF nugget detector. Even though I have the NOX, I prefer the D2 maybe because its new to me and has a lot of features I can fiddle with. Photos to follow.

As a hot dirt relic/treasure hunter where the PI rules over any VLF (except in thick iron), I felt ML abandoned us with the GPX 6000. If ML would have basically delivered a GPX 4500/5000 stuffed into the GPX 6000 form factor with wireless audio (while eliminating some of the arcane GPX 4.5/5K user adjustments that really never get touched but not going full auto like the GPX 6000) with the same GPX 5K timing options and ferrous blanking circuit, EMI performance, and compatibility with GPX coils and I would have been a happy camper (I might even have been able to stomach the GPX 6000 asking price, but would have been hopeful they could have lowered it a couple K). But instead, I would gladly take an ATX in an APEX-like package (but weatherproofed) with the ATX controls/features (including ferrous grunt but would really like the ML GPX ferrous blanking circuit) intact but translated to a decent UI, use of a powerful but light LiPolymer stack that can deliver the required V-A needed for the PI pulse and a variety of DD solid coils (and monos for the gold prospectors) in the 11 to 14" range. I like the GPX threshold and GPX target tone instead of the ATX doorbell bing/bong bong/bing but I could live with that if need be. Just really need it to be light and wireless compatible with decent EMI immunity. Curious if any TDI DNA ends up in this new Garrett if it does turn out to be a PI. But would rather Garrett lean toward the ATX vs. the TDI.

I also have the 800 with both stock coil and the 10x5 coil. I find it to be ready to go at any time and spot on with the finds. I know that I can use it in and out of the water, for gold, and just to take to the park when I get a chance. I got it from my grandfather when he passed away and can tell you that it is a great machine. Good luck and good hunting.

I anticipate it being a decent prospecting PI with ATX ancestry. Probably on a par with late model GP or early GPX performance I reckon. At a (hopefully) low price of under $3K, it should still sell well.

Jasong, To the side of my hole is where the old timers dug and got their gold. They pile the tailings in long windrows where my hole is, in the side of the piles. There is bedrock under where they piled the tailings that has gold all through it. There is also still alot of gold in the piles as well. The old timers missed alot. Good for me and my claim buddies. My hands completely and totally hurt. But I will keep at it despite the pain. Gotta get that gold.

Jasong you have taken the word out of my mouth, the only thing left to say is ensure it does not pick up a nearby Garrett in action. Lets hope other manufactures take note of your requirements.

If that is the machine in the photo it has a Carbon fiber shafts...and they have the coil wire externally nice and easy to change out....also would be nice if they had at least 3 sizes of coils to choose from. Small medium and large for instance...the photo shows a real hefty looking cam lock for the lower shaft...give us the choice of buying coils with lower shafts for easy change out. If the machine could compete with the competitors 5000 series that would be nice...tough to see in the photo but looks very interesting for sure. Strick

Nokta would have smashed home a great version of it in short order.

Downright chilly in the mornings, but those pits heat up quick if there's no cloud cover. The guy I was with dug over 100 nails but was rewarded for his effort with a sweet 1/4 oz nugget.

Wow, you guys have "created" the perfect gold detector!! I truly hope it comes close to everyone's wish list!! I'm rooting for a realistically priced gold machine from Garrett, with possibly a few surprises/ inovations, that allow for expansion into a new direction! Anything more would be icing on the cake!! Go Garrett!🍀🤞 What can I say, I'm a simple man! My wife is still discovering just how much!!🤪👍👍

Add to Jason’s wish list: Common sized (non-proprietary) removable Lipo batteries.

@kacis correct in his observation that different detectors/coils will read the ground differently to some extent. Same with different operating kHzs. Something that a lot of people conflate is Ground mineralization & Ground Balance. They are not the same & only sometimes correspond. Ground mineralization is just what it says; how much Iron(FeO3) is in the soil. Ground Balance is an internal adjustment specific to a particular detector/coil combination. The read out is indicative of the soil Type, not it's level of minerals per say. Some "hot" ground may give a GB of 85, some may read 35. They may both show 3 bars on the Mineral scale but are made up of different parent soil material. I'm very glad to have the new Ground Indicator meter on The Legend. It helps me know what to expect as far as target response & depth. How to better set up for a site. I don't get too concerned about the GB phase number. I'm listening for ground feedback. I want to know I am running it in that small neutral window, not too positive or negative. I don't like zero. None of my sites are pure quartz sand. Some are close but not zero.

Cool, thanks for the posts, keep em coming. It's inspiration to get further up into the mountains around me, places I've basically left as the last to check off my list since it's so hard for me to see the ground under the all the cover and understand what's going on like I can in the deserts and prairies. Nice to see all the nitty gritty here and get an idea of where to start.

It is a dry gulch. The old timers had to transport the dirt and gravels in wagons down to the bottom of our gulch where there is a spring, to process.

Ok, I think the pictures are up now.

I would like to see a good P.I. "wife detector" from Garrett. Not to detect a potential spouse, but something simple and with a rock solid threshold. Or maybe no threshold at all! I let my wife use one of my detectors made by another brand that is notorious for having a ratty threshold and picks up any EMI within a 100 mile radius. Even at the expense of being less sensitive, stability and ease of use would make a new prospecting detector a good sell for some of the artisanal gold mining markets in Africa, Middle East, South America, and elsewhere. Or my wife. The biggest question I get with noobies is "why is it making that sound?" Something that is not only simple to operate but simple to hear targets, but also lightweight, with a price tag under $2500 would be perfect. I think trying to knock the other brand's hat off is not going to happen, so going for the legs and mid-section is a great tactic. It also may provide some downward price pressure if Garrett can release something that is solid and has a good value (which is what they are good at) versus aiming too high. Innovation takes time and I am rooting for Garrett to strike a good blow with this new machine.

I have the Equinox 800 and you can get 6x10 & 6" coil for it. It really is an incredible detector. It has 2 prospecting modes. Also the Garret Goldmaster 24k. Another really great detector.

You engineer types can comment on all that technical stuff I don’t understand....but I can tell you with certainty that coil in the first photo is gonna be hell to X Ray 🤣 strick

Yeah, the ATX had that darn telescoping rod attached to each and every accessory coil. More weight to pack around, and more cost, for extra shafts you probably did not need. Going to standard bolt on coils alone would dramatically lower the cost per coil, and make third party coils much more viable. Also, as nice as they look, I have never found internal coil cables to be worth it, unless a person is never swapping coils. Probably ok then, but a real pain if you swap coils like I do. On the ATX and some others, it also introduced cable wear issues not present with externally wound cables.

Many years back at a ML sponsored "sausage" sizzle here in FNQ OZ, roughly around the time of the early ML PIs, essentially what Jasong is explaining above was explained by a ML representative. Gold detectors ML have produced have tackled that problem in increments, some may cynically say at the users expense, of course the user pays for Tech. gains albietly more painful for us because of our relative small consumer base. I see the GPZ probably being the biggest performance gain for its time after the first PIs, because it tackled that noise in a new way, with the GPX6000 tackling that noise in another approach (Geosense??). Further as we who embraced X coils especially their CC coils know, they have given us performance gains again by "quietening" that noise somewhat. Now it appears ML may be again tackling this noise from the coil end. Good exciting stuff and thank you Jasong for ferreting this info out from the mountains of info out there.

The basic garrett panning Kit can be found online for $29.95, hard to go wrong with it.

Essentially what I'm explaining is this. Right now there are a lot of signals that we could be detecting with current tech, they are echoing back up to surface, but we don't hear them because the noise floor is too high. But if you lower the noise floor, you can now hear some of those same signals, without increasing RX or TX power at all. This is also the same theory and fundamental idea behind why I've always tried to run as hot as possible, while still staying somewhat stable to avoid signal masking from too much EMI, and sensory adaptation. I think in a way, Geosense sought to automate this idea. But it seems to have somewhat failed in some cases. But I think the automation process has a lot more potential to be released and developed in future detectors. Computers/AI should do 100% of the repetitive measurement stuff, leaving human brains free to do all the interpretive parts of detecting.

My D2 which is a deep machine will not however hit the top chain. Beach sens. Sens. 95, salt 9, silencer 1, reactivity 0, .5 or 1. 2 tone square. Disc. 6.0. I have not experienced those rivets but do have quite a few ear ring backs with the AQ. I am though, primarily a water hunter or wet sand and wash. Fresh drop season the AQ is my go to machine.

I’m just not sure what you guys are complaining about. The AQ is a beach machine. Maybe I was just one of the lucky ones or I just took the time to learn the machine. I live in a pirate rich environment and normally don’t show my finds. Granted it is entering peak season here, but this is my finds so far this week with the AQ. I did dig a half dozen new bottle caps and two tent stakes that fooled me. I leave that stuff in the beach garbage cans. I hope my friend in Md. will not share this with my number one competitor. I would not change a thing since I have two of Joes batteries.

Found this in Minnesota where land was dug up. Very very heavy. Wondering if it's petrified wood?

Seems like all the recent interest in coils has got Minelab interested in looking at being clever with some coil designs themselves. Nice to see Minelab acknowledge in writing the power of spiral windings too, something some of us have been saying for years is real, now there is no debate. Seems Bruce Candy himself agrees with what some of us have been saying over and over - they work just fine in mild and medium soil too. We already saw the horizontal/vertical spiral winding idea in an unpublished patent, but it's published now. This is for hotter ground. Idea being you get the advantage of a spiral (increased sensitivity) without the disadavantages (spurious signals in highly saturable soils) by turning the front/back ends of the coil vertical to decrease the flux density going into the soil in parts of the coil that aren't required for side to side motion. This one (US 20220221610 A1): There are a number of other winding configurations in the patent as well. I just noticed an International patent that hasn't been filed in the US yet too (WO2022126185A1) with some pretty crazy coil designs. From what I gather these are actually concentric coils. They seem to have up to 2 to 5 "groups" of RX and/or TX windings to null out what I guess is spurious saturation signals, conductive ground, and EMI. But then they seem to just concentrate mainly on saturation. But I'm just taking a break from work and eating, figured I'd look up patents while I sit here, so I don't have time to do more than just selective scrolling through this extensive document. I scrolled past some talk of such coils designed with 2 cables to the control box too. Here are some odd concentric "noise cancelling" coil cross sections from this patent: There are some apparant performance graphs too which I guess relate to depth, but they are unlabeled so I'm not sure what they mean until I have time to read through everything. So I'm not going to post them because I have no clue what they represent right now and I gotta head back to work.

I hope that if Fisher does dump out on the machine, that they release Alexandre from any contract that he has with them. I'm pretty sure he could make a better home made version and sell them directly. The machine has a lot of potential, and I believe if it had just been a bit more durable, it would have sold better. That and the fact that they limited it to the US, is what made it DOA from the start. I'm surprised that someone who is technically capable didn't just design their own case and transfer the electronics into it. I wish we had a stateside person that could do that. I would jump all over it..... first with the GPX though 😄

Ahh. Does a factory reset fix it even temporarily? Definitely contact Nokta on that. I had thought it was a drift issue with tracking.

Well the other detectors only left me a few coins, but no one was digging the tabs and the junk foils and can slaw, or zinc pennys so I had my XP -ORX in coin deep 17.2khz 70gain and 2 on recovery speed, digging all tabs and junk foils and i got a very low number 48-49 wich can be gatorade tops and foils and small can slaw but up came this brass looking thing, but it seemed heavy so i put it in my pocket and finished the day thinking i got nothing but bling , but when i got home I seen the 14k stamp on the back , and weighed it 3.25 grams of 14 k gold , I suppose when dogs spar in a dog park , they go for the neck and thats when sabastion lost his collar and in the shock of the moment both owners moved away from each other leaving this nice Gold Dog pendant , and i was dumb enough to be digging the junk foils and found it

Thanks for the input guys, it's appreciated!

I got 1 piece of gold in that hole. Not good enough to stay in it. I moved below where my buddy is digging and started a new hole. Got three right off the bat. I'll get pics tomorrow after tomorrows tally of gold.

Yes, but the other brands showed it was possible with the VLF's when I at least didn't think it would be. I agree there is a lot of catching up to do, but it's worth having hope that some company will be able to do it, will it be Garrett? I hope so. Either way if a slightly improved ATX in a standard lightweight design came out I would be interested, El Nino showed just how sensitive the ATX can be to small gold and it seems to run nice. They don't have to win to be a winner in my mind, they just have to do whats needed to give the market another option and to start to bring some competition to market. I'm not expecting a GPX or GPZ killer, but I would be very happy if they did. Any thread about a new prospecting PI is going to instantly draw comparisons to the current market leaders, that's why it's here, and not in the Garrett section of the forum.

They owned the VLF's since the Equinox came out, they've lost that crown now with two other brands competing and or beating them with that, one can only hope in the best interests of customers that the same can take place with PI's as we can get some true competition. I'm not brand loyal I'll buy whichever works best for me. At the moment yes, they're better than everyone else, but will that remain forever?

It will work as a test to see how a mono (in general) works there, but it won't necessarily indicate how well a bigger coil like the 17x13 will work in the same place. If you are running an 11" DD then flipping the switch will basically now have you running a 6x11 mono, which is a pretty small coil. The larger the coil, the more susceptible to EMI it will be. A 17x13 Evo is a big coil when it comes to EMI. That said, I've run the 17x13 without issues with subdivisions in sight in Arizona and done ok. But then in other places further out it was getting so much interference I had to switch to a smaller mono. It kinda just depends on the location. Being too close to powerlines is always a problem though.

Wow very nice. Bet the setttler dropped it while kissing the dirt after a long miserable ocean ride :)

I’ll tell you what I did. My scoop has 1/2” holes. I took SS wire and wove it back and forth up to about 3 lines of hole in the V of the scoop. That allows still for good draining and holds enough shells to keep small targets in the scoop. If I’m chasing a small target…. I don’t shake the scoop until I get it high enough to get a hand under it to. Rarely do I leave a target…. Even thou most of the time it wasn’t worth chasing

Yesterday afternoon I went out for 4 hours with the 24K on a spot I'd been recently thrashing with the 4500M (got 21 bits there for 3gm) and found a further 8 teeny bits for .5gm incl a little specie. I hadn't used it for 6-7 months and it was quite fun to get so many small targets which included about 30 bird shot, wire and a un-fired percussion cap. My poor shoulder was thankful for the rest too....my 4500M weighs over 3kg and the teeny weight of the 24K was like it wasn't there at all lol I'll have to do this more often....