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Steve had deleted my previous account because I was too engaging and thought I was a bot....But for my first coin in VA I'm pretty proud of this teeny Seated Half Dime.... So here it is again. Please re-post as I lost all comments and messages. Found with my new Deus 2 and the 11" coil at about 4" deep. There was no missing it and was actually using it in the Diving Program because I was almost directly under power lines and found by adjusting down the Salt Sensitivity I was able to get rid of most of the EMI with the machine still maxed out. Also the Diving program runs a lower weighted frequency set (4 khz to 14 khz) that helps on the deeper silver. Don't be afraid to try it on dry land. This was not the case on another site where there was an electric fence and when it rained the Diving program really felt every pulse of the fence.

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May 12 1937 The three of us had a quick talk and came up with a plan. Daylight was nearing quickly. When we found the camp it was as expected, the old camp from last year that we had destroyed. We snuck in from the south and spotted a sentry. It looked like the rest of the gang was tending to wounded and eating. Some were reloading guns. I stayed in a position at the south and kept an eye on the sentry. Sarge headed left to the west of the camp while Ben took the east side. They would also position themselves to see anyone who tried to escape out the back or north. Sarge told me that if the sentry became aware of our presence I was to drop him. He said to sit tight until I heard the BAR open up and then take out the sentry and don’t miss. Then move up quickly towards the camp from the south. He would move in from the west and Ben was positioned to shoot anyone that moved east or north. We would leave no survivors. About three minutes passed and I heard the low rumble of the BAR. Then the Thompson. I had dead aim on the sentry and squeezed off a shot. I saw him drop to the ground and he didn’t move. I charged in from the south. TO BE CONTINUED ............

It's an eye opener. We had an awesome San Francisco park demo that lasted an entire summer, and a ton of great finds were made (I even managed an eleven silver hunt, that was exciting!). Just about anything you can imagine was found (sans a gold coin), but a 1909-S VDB Wheat Cent was dug (not by me) a rare 1896 San Francisco dog license (I did get that one), tons of silver coins, old buttons going back to the beginning of the gold rush era, lots of tokens, several gold rings (got a nice Victorian era gold ring with a small diamond in it), and on and on. It was one of the most enjoyable demo sites I've had the pleasure to hunt. BUT my point was that it was pretty amazing to see what was coming up and still deep even after they scraped, trenched, or what not. Tom Dankowski had positive comments on the added power, and potential applications as well as the 99 point iron range. Definitely going to be an unusual and interesting machine 👍

5 trips to the desert detecting with no gold.....my last beach gold was late last winter......oh sure, this summer I've found my share of silver and junk gold plate like all of you but that's it. Recently I decided to change things up and go back to where it all started for me on the beach- dry sand hunting at night with a gold detector. I set my TDI up on "Low Conductor" in order to only hear the high tone targets. This of course means you hear pull tabs, twist-offs, gold, nickels, etc.....no silver, dimes, quarters, and the like. The TDI will however, go into freak-out audio when you run across a quarter on the surface. I sometimes dig these signals if boredom kicks in. Anyway, I hunt dry sand by locating a good trash zone, and then griding tightly as if you were on a gold patch. Good trash to me is aluminum, deep rusted twist-offs and deep nickels. At the beach I was searching there was nothing along the towel line- not even any trash. I started working the zone behind the towel line, going back beyond the lifeguard towers. No consistent targets there either, so it was time to venture into no-man's land, where I immediately recovered an 18k gold filled chain. Here I picked up a nice trash debris field which contained deep nickels and deep aluminum. That's when I popped out a stainless ring, and griding low and slow, got this loud freak-out target response on the TDI. 3 things I knew about the target- it was large, close to the surface, and not gold. 1 shallow scoop and the bracelet was in my pocket- thought it was a bling watch until returning home to see the hallmark.....David Yurman Albion .925 diamond bracelet. Not gold, but I'm going to stretch the mileage of this find until the gold shows up.....Jerry

Depends on the machine but typically in heavy iron I prefer analog machines with a concentric coil. If I run into heavy iron with a machine that has a dd coil first thing I do is set my tone break to break on an iron nail and try to make passes over targets in more than just one direction to hear if there is a chirp of something better. Smaller DD's will do better as they have better separation. No matter what don't expect id #'s that you would typically see in clean grounds as multiple targets can occupy the same detection area.

When I am in iron.....I dig everything above iron. I do not particularly worry about vdi numbers....due to the fact a coin next to iron will not always give correct tone id. So ......for the most part in trashy iron areas....I just dig all the good signals.....whether they turn out to be good or not......it is all just a crap shoot.

Today I went to a short hunt after dropping off my son at TK. The tide was getting up so I had to use a different search pattern. My second target was the silver ring. It is 6.7g with an interesting pattern. It says 925 i + h ??? Don't know exactly what that means but I'll look it up. The second ring came about an hour later. It is an unmarked, homemade Quora design, but feels like gold. It comes in at a 17 on the Nox. I went to Wilshire Coin and had them tell me what it is and they say it is about 13k but they are conservative. It weighs 7.4g. It was a good hunt.

It looks like the part of 50% must be in the transmit power according to a statement Tom made. ....... "IF you could figure out a way to wire a EQX coil to the new Manticore...... the Manticore would blow/burn it out. Soooo...... coils are NOT interchangeable. (There's also other reasons for incompatibility). The coil has tighter tolerances....and more stuff in it; hence, soooo........it must be built heavier-duty. The extra 2 heli-arc'd fore-aft curved ribs are not very hydrodynamic; yet, are a necessity."

I believe I have seen Mark Lawrie say "50% more power going to the coil," than the Equinox, and Tom Dankowski said that if you somehow were to wire an Equinox coil up to connect to the Manticore, you would essentially "blow out the coil." So, I am fairly sure it's NOT just all a "marketing gimmick." (Just to note, I am NOT saying 50% more depth, nor 25% more depth, nor even 10% more depth...of course not; I'm just saying that there is apparently 50% more power going to the coil, and not just a marketing gimmick where the extra power is going to the backlight, keypad, flashlight, etc. -- each of which probably use very little power, i.e. flashlight being LED, etc.) Steve

Yep. They clarified that over their previous marketing statement. Glad they got their story straight now. But still, all we know is that it has a bigger battery than Equinox (7 hour charge time) because their new marketing statement doesn't clearly state how the 50% more power is used vs. Equinox (transmit power, processing power or simply its need to keep the lights on as it has a lot of lights (backlight, keypad light, flashlight) ). Other than they also allude to It being connected to Multi-IQ+. But yeah, all that is great stuff on paper. Can't wait to see how it performs in the field, in the hands of competent detectorists.

Same here, one reason it sucks hunting in the spring and summer months out here (not to mention the heat). In the fall and winter when the overgrowth dies back and the ground is moist are my favorite times of the year for relic hunting. Slow and low is how I do best.

Am sure I will be corrected and scolded soon😁 But I have NEVER had a machine that did not go deeper by scrubbing the coil. I am a coil scrubber believer from WAY back............

They are giving the Manti 4 beach modes......right up my alley!

Even when using Spectra V3 on 3F multifrequency, my most used mod was with TX boost on... and using medium and low RX gain... depth gain detector and EMI resistance... In many situations, this mod with TX boost cannot be replaced by another setting... If you want a modern multi-frequency detector to have higher performance... and also have higher resistance to EMI... the only option is to increase the raw TX power... simply increasing the raw power of TX by 50 percent gives good conditions for achieving good and better results... as with detectors of the previous generation... ...this possibility was always there... but the detection companies did not take it fully into consideration...,, and rather focused on the software management of the detector's performance.. I think that now detection companies are starting to understand this and are starting to use TX bost as a decisive parameter to improve detection capabilities...

I think this is bound to happen. According to Tom D, the highest he could run the Manticore even In his mild Florida soil was around 28. That leaves 7 more levels to drive it into instability. Sounds like it might’ve been better to cap sensitivity at 30 rather than 35. On the bright side Tom also said that equinox and manticore have equivalent sensitivity at equivalent settings, that 21 on equinox is pretty close to 21 on the manticore for example. Equinox for me became unstable after 22. If manticore can run up to 28, the claims about increased depth might just pan out, particularly if they’ve made the progress in EMI and ground mitigation he’s hinting at. Those were the two areas of intense focus on this machine’s development according to Tom’s early posts about involvement with this project. Without progress in those areas extra power is for naught. But anyway, I see it coming. This machine can be overdriven in the extreme, and we are going to see lots of people doing that, then complaining about instability. For myself though, I’d rather have the option to overdrive it than to wonder if something more is being left on the table.

Looks like Minelab is going to strongly push BEAST as the new moniker/nickname. Interesting, give something a name that people don’t get excited about, and push an alternative nickname instead. It like they are cognizant of the tendency to nickname detectors, and decided to consciously play to that. If so, that’s a new level of sneaky marketing I don’t recall seeing before. Or, maybe I’m giving them too much credit, they saw the feedback and realized Manticore sucks, and are scrambling the backup plan.

Performance is not just DEPTH. Tarsacci blows away every VLF I have ever used on raw depth, but is it a nail or a coin, who knows - the TID is bouncy, nonferrous audio is suspect, and disc adjustments are limited? Accurate ID at depth, unmasking/speed, precise disc patterns, accurate ferrous probabilities are attributes that M-core may bring to bear. Need to also know whether 2x supplied power over Equinox is a blessing or a curse. Need more real world, in the field feedback.

Good morning to you all, it's been a long while since I was here last cheers dave

Hello everyone, Here I am again. Apparently Steve deleted me as he thought I was trying to advertise since I was engaging in to many topics at once on here. So pardon the re-post. BTW I lost all messages and posts so please re-post if you notice me My name is Jason and have swung different detectors since the mid 90's. All gold machines until just this year. Love the coins but just had hernia surgery here in San Diego and gettin heart ablation done in a week. So chomping at the bit to head somewhere cooler than the SoCal, AZ desert that I'm near and know best to find a little color and have some smiles and create some new memories. So I'm in need of some information for the NorCal, that I haven't been in the water since the 90's, or Northern Nevada that I not swung a detector over since my GP3500 back in 2008. California was always along the I-80 corridor. Mostly sniping the North Fork of the American with a little South Yuba here and there but all that mercury in that river!!!! A little sluicing too but no detecting at all as this was just prior to my first and sweetest sounding detector I've ever owned (And still do) , my Fisher Gold Bug 2. When I lived in Reno I often headed out to The Rye Patch area and beyond (Placeritas, Seven Troughs, Scossa, Poker Brown, etc). Not much else as I was too busy with work when I was there at that time. Also at this time I was armed with a very capable 99 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 on 33's and a stock 85 Toy 4Runner that went anywhere I dared. Now Im in the largest van know to man, A MB Sprinter 170 ext. It actually has very good clearance for such a mega vehicle and have off-roaded it more than most take their built jeeps but the bad turning radius, 10'2" height and especially 4' long tail really limits where I can go. SO!..... Where can I go now? I don't belong to any clubs. I'm really anxious to both snipe and detect the upper sierra's (This will be starting mid September if all goes well) and then probably head downstream towards the lower elevations of Cali or out into Nevada . Basically chase good weather and better gold. Van life for AU 22. Questions: 1.What rivers are open without claims now? 2. Can I still crevice with my Gold Bug 2 or ML Monster or should I get a SDC 2300 (It is foldable and waterproof) 3. Can you take an SDC 2300 completely underwater? I have a XP Deus 2 as well but doubt it can find small gold pickers in a crevice but sure it can find lead and nails and give me a starting point if that makes sense. 2.What hydraulic pits can I get to and are allowed to hunt in? 3.Anyone looking for company (Late Sept/October) Any info helps.

I always found the best way (for me)to understand what the machine is saying is putting it on a lot of targets. Might say I only hunted for the easy stuff. Parks, schools and beaches. So digging a lot of targets to learn the machine. Always been a question to me is how people hunting for the hard stuff like silver in iron infested sites can really get to know their machines. I'm guessing hunting silver in over grown trashy areas sometimes means finding a very few good targets per hunt. Now I understand many hunters take far less time to understand a machine than others. A lot of hunters are still learning a machine even after digging a thousand good targets in the wild. I'm talking clad, jewelry. Going out and digging a thousand silvers or nice relics to me would take for ever to master a machine. On top of that the newer machines are far more complicated. It just seems to me that some can fully evaluate a machine in far, far less time than others. I got to admit I often learn something new every time I go out. So having comparisons with a few machines ( some borrowed ) on a handful of targets (some staged ) and then making a decision is beyond my pay grade. So hats off to the ones out there that are recognized as reliable testers.

I did another fresh water hunt and even though gold was a no-show, 6 rings, 2 silver neck chains along with coins and LOTS of trash make me think that the gold is there. In looking at the smaller silver chain I'm reminded of the knife scene from "Crocodile Dundee". At 4 grams, the thin silver chain is nice but at 30+ grams for the other one, now THAT'S A CHAIN! 🙂

Not really. People doing these quickie YouTube reviews, who have less than 100 hours detecting in diverse environments, are doing nothing more than offering you fast opinions on whether they like something or not. I buy a sandwich, give it a couple bites, tell you I don't like it. But really does not mean you won't like it.

I don't know but seems like my Equinox if run down takes about this amount of time? That is on a 2.1 amp charger. ??? I would want the battery power necessary to do a hunt. I don't see charge time a game breaker!

Wow thank you so much!

I will often be the "mower dude" on my local private permissions. Brush cutter too. It is almost always well worth the effort on good sites.

So why ate you not emailing Minelab like GBAmature suggested instead of asking forum members who have no clue?

Thanks, Dan. Taking Tom’s comments with a grain of salt at this point because some of what he has been stating is not borne out by the info ML has actually published. (I still don’t fully understand the -99 to 99 TID implementation claim based on the panel layout and explanations provided in the QS Guide other than the “negative” target TID underline symbol). No doubt there is some level of transmit power boost under some mode settings but I suspect there is also a lot of powerful stuff under the signal processing hood as well. Even the rudimentary target trace graphics take some horsepower to generate. It’s definitely a compelling detector, but the intelligence-insulting marketing spin and self-hype (that comes with the territory lately for all new release detectors not just ML) is a big turnoff to me personally.

Thank for sharing your find. And Welcome to the forum.

Didn't Tom also say that they had worked on the Beast's ability to handle EMI more since he had it on an inland site where he was running it at 28? I may be remembering wrong but I thought he said his most recent testing and input had been salt beach hunting and tackling that. Which hints at further development of EMI handling to me. I know they have said the machine in the videos is not the final product, that they are buttoning up some loose ends. I hope so because what I see and hear in the videos, is a very sparky/chatty machine. I'm not a fan of running them that hot when they chatter at everything, just holding it still.

I think it is Botryoidal Goethite (rather than hematite) as the streak is "Yellowish brown, orange-yellow, ocher-yellow" and not "Reddish brown ('rust-red')":

Awesome coin. Way to go on picking the right mode for the right job!

Need a first GPX 6000 update…..first 🤣

Nice little nuggets! Which detector did you find the Tarantula with?

Why not just put a black sock over it for when you hunt at night? Set the light to it's lowest setting and then cover the screen up. Or make a black piece of plastic that you can just put over the display. You can use rubber bands or Velcro to keep it in place. I would never not buy a machine for something I can solve to my liking fairly easily.

8 x 5.5 coil should will better than the 6 inch for me

At this point the only thing I don't like about it is the lack of the 6" coil, apart from that it looks great on paper. They say it has enhanced EMI handling which is interesting, I wonder if that just means more control over sensitivity with 1 to 35 now 😜 It does sound impressive though... Overview MANTICORE with Multi-IQ+ is the most powerful, fastest, and precise metal detector in Minelab’s history. The heart of MANTICORE is its super-charged Simultaneous Multi-Frequency (MULTI-IQ+) engine. This feat of innovation generates an incredible 50% power increase over the best-selling detector series of all time: EQUINOX. When combined with advanced 2D Target Identification (ID) and rich audio options, the detectorist has every bit of vital information arriving at their eyes and ears. MANTICORE is an unrivalled detecting experience that pushes the boundaries of detecting to deliver more power, more depth, and more finds.

Good points Chuck! I feel the same way to a large degree. I don't, and never have sold a single find because like you, for me, it's not about financial gain. If it's too expensive, then I won't buy it. Like I never felt the CTX was worthy of it's $2500 price tag. I know they can be had cheaper, especially on the used market, but it felt like a bit of ML price gouging and it still weighed a ton (and lets be honest, it's not the best relic hunting detector out there anyhow). That said, it's still super rewarding to make a high value find, and it's great to be able to say a single find paid for the machine. Plus, and perhaps more importantly it makes the wifey happy and greases the wheel for the next detector purchase 🙄

Let’s be thankful that Garrett salvaged what they could from White’s. White’s didn’t “sell out” to Garrett. The White’s business model couldn’t be sustained financially for a number of reasons, of which some were likely beyond their immediate control. I’d prefer to celebrate the awesome machines they produced over many years and that will continue to find good stuff in the ground and water for a long time to come. They were also in business for over 70 years which is quite remarkable for any company let alone one making “just” metal detectors.

Nice. Where I water hunt people take off their gold jewelry before going into the water ever since gold shot up in price. Tot-lots are also slow on gold jewelry. Hope things change.

Way to go on the silver + rings, George.......man, it's going to be smoking hot inland for the next 6 days or so.....I suggest cooling your heels at the coast.... -Jerry

I thought the same. Then I thought humm they just transferred that ear breaking to us having to buy lower shafts. Hopefully it not a stiff build… because water guys tend to use the machine to balance themselves in ruff water. One of the reasons I run in AM in the water is because I’m just looking for target … once found then I have to determine… is it something to dig. I don’t run disc because things change… the salt, very tiny concentrations of metal, hard pan and black sand and EMI. Some try to just disc it out rather than adjust the settings.

That sounds like the old-coin detectorist's dream site. I know you've done very well at those historic trail sites, too, but I assume that's a different kind of thrill. (I'm not greedy; I'd take just one of either. 😁) I hope we're not building the expectations too high for this unreleased detector. (Well, someone always does that anyway.) I think there is still room in the IB-VLF realm for better discrimination and if that actually exhibits itself in deep non-ferrous that previously showed up in the ferrous zone giving non-ferrous signals, then an inch deeper on those kinds of hits can really pay off in some sites. That's what the Equinox did in my soils compared to the F75. The Fisher is a deep detector but unless I was going to dig all (in which case a PI may be a better choice anyway), I couldn't take advantage of that extra depth. My fingers are crossed that a similar revelation will occur with that extra power of the Manticore compared to the Equinox.

Yes I also think it's Botryoidal Hematite or Botryoidal Goethite, Botryoidal means "grape like".

Oh yes, I agree.

Here's some more info from the Unicorn's mouth... https://www.minelab.com/usa/metal-detectors/manticore

Same here, I haven't sold a find.

Maybe a tiny amount of material would leach out but only the outermost molecules in the nugget would be exposed to the environment. I'm more referring to the depositional environment - the bedrock or clay or whatever acts just like a sluice to catch gold particles. It also catches heavy materials like iron-rich minerals. Those other materials are concentrated along with the gold contribute to the response. When you dig, you disperse all the other stuff and the response is no longer the both gold + nearby concentrated minerals, it's mostly just the gold, hence a lesser response.