New For 2022?

[Steve Herschbach]

I’d say my predictions for 2021 were pretty spot on, with only XP surprising me with the Deus 2.

2022 looks to be less exciting in a way, as all the excitement just happened. That and White’s left the scene entirely. So we have XP and Nokta/Makro already on the scene with their big 2022 reveals. I guess a PI from NM is next up, but as they have not even got a Legend to market yet, I can’t really imagine a new PI until next year.

Minelab bounces back and forth between gold machine and coin machine focus, and with GPX 6000 in the bag, a new coin machine would look to be next, especially with the E-TRAC just being discontinued. But Minelab releases are almost always foreshadowed in Codan corporate reports, and no hints there yet. Watch closely for the next one, to see if there are any reveals. But lacking that I’d say fall at earliest, and possibly slipping into next spring, as these things often do. Again, watch the corporate reports.

First Texas? Still just trying to get the beach PI out the door, and went awfully quiet on the gold nugget version. All of which is funny to me, as hardly anyone wants a new PI from FT, but something to compete with the newer multifrequency detectors. Lots of old model VLFs discontinued, I’d have to think replacements are in the works. The question with FT these days is their ability to execute on the top end, and no matter what they do, holding back while bugs get worked out is a good idea.

Which leaves Garrett. They bought White’s, and except for continuing with the 24K we have seen little development on that front. No surprise really…. it takes a while to digest a purchase of that size. Personally, I do not expect any other White’s models to be revived. If they were that great White’s would still be here.

Apex was a surprise, but as an Ace model it’s not the higher end model people here are looking for. Obviously in the works, but when? Garrett moves slowly, so I’m not holding my breath. I’m cautiously hopeful about the future with Garrett, but it’s very much a wait and see deal with them.

So to sum up, not a lot to really hold one’s breath over after the Deus 2 and Legend introductions settle down. I admit my interest in new machines is waning, as we have hit some walls in the technologies, and real advances are going to be very rare at this point. Some hints dropped about bi-polar PI at Fisher, but given they can’t get an old tech PI out the door in short order, waiting around for that seems like a poor bet. In general, all I see coming in the future is better packaging, improvements in ease of use, more power at lower price, etc. But as far as actual power, I’ve already got most of the best of what is available, and I don’t see much in the way of genuine new capability coming my way. That’s fine though. Compared to what I started with 50 years ago we’ve come light years in capability, and I am quite satisfied with what I have now. All I need is to do is find new places to detect, not wait for new detectors. I suggest you do the same. 

[Rick N. MI]

I have high hopes for Minelab, Garrett, NM and Fisher. I'm holding out for awhile and see what's coming before I get anything new.

This spring & summer I will be using my T2se and Xp Orx . My Orx in my mild sandy lakes, I don't see the Deus 2 going any deeper. That's the way it is with vlf lol. 

[☠ Cipher]

Well, if nothing else comes along this year, the Deus 2 is generating a lot of excitement around the incremental advances they’ve made in multifrequency performance. I’ll refrain from using hyperbole like “it blows everything else out of the water,” but credit where credit is due, Deus 2 did find some magic somehow, with many measurable advantages. It has me considering selling my equinox at this point, and I didn’t think that would happen until Minelab came along with gen 2 multi-iq.

Now hopefully, Nokta Makro going back to the drawing board on the Legend means they will try to match Deus 2 performance. That would be nice if they could do it.
 

I’m surprised to see the Etrac discontinued. I wonder if we might see a price drop on the CTX anytime soon. I have mine, but for others. 

[King-Of-Bling]

Steve , you are like the late , great Johnny "Carnac" Carson !

[Kaolin washer]

I found more with my bounty hunter quick draw in the 70,s than my 1750.$ modern state of the art Tarsacci, its a strange thing , back then i had a crap detector but found more silver , and with the best of detectors i find, very little ,we need a detector that can see thru Iron and aluminum  to a depth of 24 "

[Jeff McClendon]

4 minutes ago, Kaolin washer said:

I found more with my bounty hunter quick draw in the 70,s than my 1750.$ modern state of the art Tarsacci, its a strange thing , back then i had a crap detector but found more silver , and with the best of detectors i find, very little ,we need a detector that can see thru Iron and aluminum  to a depth of 24 "

Wow, I wish I had been detecting back in the 70's or 80's when US silver coins from the 50's and 60s were recent drops instead of being under 8 to 12" of dirt.

[opalboy]

I’ll preface this with; I’m dumb as a post, but would it be possible to combine VLF and PI? Is it just a computer thing?

see I told ya!

[EL NINO77]

it's already .... it's PI Garrett ATX - but it uses VLF mode when in  Iron check mode ....

[Steve Herschbach]

4 hours ago, opalboy said:

I’ll preface this with; I’m dumb as a post, but would it be possible to combine VLF and PI? Is it just a computer thing?

see I told ya!

In theory they are simply two separate things, induction balance (continuous transmission), versus pulse induction (intermittent transmission). So kind of like combining AC and DC current. But the processing side can be combined in some ways, and has been, so we are seeing some merging of capability via processing. The so-called hybrid machines. But at the end of the day it’s still the same choice. PI offers raw power, but minimal discrimination. IB offers better discrimination, but less raw power. At this point in time you need both types of detectors, if the need exists, because no one machine comes close yet to combining PI depth with IB discrimination.

It would be easy at this point to make a detector that put both in one box, and simply switch between the two methods to cross check a target. The only issue really would be making a decent coil for the process, but it would not be hard. I’m surprised no manufacturer has bothered implementing this in a decent form yet, as I’d buy one in a heartbeat.

How Metal Detectors Work by By Mark Rowan & William Lahr, White’s Electronics

[Luis]

1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said:

In theory they are simply two separate things, induction balance (continuous transmission), versus pulse induction (intermittent transmission). So kind of like combining AC and DC current. But the processing side can be combined in some ways, and has been, so we are seeing some merging of capability via processing. The so-called hybrid machines. But at the end of the day it’s still the same choice. PI offers raw power, but minimal discrimination. IB offers better discrimination, but less raw power. At this point in time you need both types of detectors, if the need exists, because no one machine comes close yet to combining PI depth with IB discrimination.

It would be easy at this point to make a detector that put both in one box, and simply switch between the two methods to cross check a target. The only issue really would be making a decent coil for the process, but it would not be hard. I’m surprised no manufacturer has bothered implementing this in a decent form yet, as I’d buy one in a heartbeat.

How Metal Detectors Work by By Mark Rowan & William Lahr, White’s Electronics

supposedly this does that.  but I don't know if it's true

https://www.mundodetector.com/detectores-de-gran-profundidad/742-detector-de-metales-blackdog-hybridscan.html

 

The Blackdog HybridScan metal detector is a professional detector that combines two technologies: VLF and pulse induction.

 Manufactured with the highest quality components (military type).

 It stands out for having automatic ground tracking (AUTO-TRACK), and automatic sensitivity adjustment, which adapts itself to ground conditions.