X Coil Questions

[Steve Herschbach]

I wanted to clarify this, in case people are thinking x coil is not welcome here, due to some x coil related members leaving the forum.

I support anyone or anything that legitimately extends our metal detecting capabilities. I applaud x coils efforts.

What I did not like was the fact that you have to take a perfectly good coil, and use it to create an adapter. The process is not simple, and if done incorrectly can fry a GPZ 7000. The repair will cost thousands of dollars, and that is not an exaggeration. Further, there appears to be nobody who will make these for people, and warranty that if the work blows up the detector, that they will insure those costs. In others words “do this at your own risk.” Seems simple to me. No drama, just “do this at your own risk.”

The knowledge of that risk was suppressed, and people who expressed concern were attacked and ridiculed. ANY mention of the risk was met with swift damage control that attempted to shout down the offending party.

THAT is what I objected to. I’m a pragmatic facts based guy. I could care less about the adapter. I do care that it is something that should be a disclaimer on any “oh these are the greatest thing since sliced bread” coming from parties who received many thousands of dollars in free product. And I mean seriously, who actually buys x coils? Because from this dumb Alaskans perspective, nearly everyone reporting on x coils is sporting free coils.

Are there people out there that have to buy your x coils? I’d like to know who those people are, and hear what they have to say. Even then, I’m surprised how little you can trust even reports from purchasers. I was under the impression from several people that the QED was a pretty good product. Now, the ex-dealer is revealing that they are in fact a crap shoot, with very poor reliability, and poor physical construction. The truth now seems 100% the opposite of what I was being told by people, including people who berate others for concealing things. I gave QED quite a bit of positive coverage here that I now regret, because the so-called honest reporting of purchasing owners turns out to be quite suspect. When people buy junk, they prefer to quietly move it along with little fuss. In the meantime, the rest of us are not getting a clear picture of the truth.

The same thing was going on with the Impulse AQ testing. Parties experiencing issues are protective of the developers, kind of a Stockholm Syndrome thing, where you protect your abuser. Because, you know, maybe the next thing they do will be good, and would not want to get shut out of that! So relevant facts about issues that might be perceived as problematic are suppressed or hidden. I bailed out of the project over that.

Anyway, back to X Coil. I just want to let people know discussion of them is welcome. What is not welcome is berating people for being concerned over the adapter. That should simply be the default position for wise people. “Do this at your own risk.” Concerned care, not panic. Second, since free coils rained down like crazy, it would be nice if reporters clearly identify themselves as people getting free gear. I’m serious. I’m truly an outside observer to all this nonsense, and there appear to be almost no people who report on x coil, that do not have at least one free x coil.

So that’s my question. Is there anyone out there that is just a person that bought these, and made or paid someone to make an adapter? A straight up no question purchasing end user? If so, I’d sure like to hear from you!! If you have free coils, love to hear from you also, but please let us know the whole picture.

And to mention one last time. Never did, still do not have any issue with x coil discussion. It’s ok to great product, exploring new ideas, and I thank them for that. It was all the skullduggery and drama that bothered me. I’d welcome sane discussion of the product, and if they ever make a coil for a GPX 6000, I’d be interested. 

https://www.x-coils.com

[klunker]

44 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

this dumb Alaskans perspective,

 Dumb Alaskan!? When I learn so much from a "dumb Alaskan" it must put me in the "idiot and dumb Californian" class.

I couldn't agree more with your post. 

[AussieMatt]

I posted this over 18 months ago re: the QED. I'd also previously posted about audio, Bluetooth & ground balancing issues elsewhere too but some of those issues had been or were reportedly being addressed.

I was widely attacked & ridiculed by some QED users, some dealers + those close to the "project" (I call it a project because the build has a project type feel & it's still evolving by the reports?). Other QED users thanked me privately for saying what they wanted to but felt they couldn't for one reason or another.

Funny how things turn out & the truth prevails in the end! 

I was at times outspoken about concerns over the GPZ adapter too. Probably reacted to some of the "damage control" in a pretty blunt manner which was rightfully moderated (sorry Steve).

I think where issues or possible risks exist it should be able to be discussed openly without the fear of being attacked, ridiculed or having a damage control team go into action to discredit real concerns. As should the positives of those same products. Gives people a chance to weigh things up with the broader picture of things.

Thank you Steve!

 

[afreakofnature]

Don’t be afraid to post the truth and don’t be afraid of internet bullies.  I’ve said this a couple times but everybody who likes to bully people on the Internet think they’re a big person behind a keyboard. That persons would never say it to my face or yours knowing the consequences.  

[strick]

People should be up front and honest...unfortunately people sometimes arnt ...yes I said arnt    they will mislead others for personal gain..like getting a stupid detector coil for free.......if I had more time to screw off looking for gold I probably would have bought one or two x's but thankfully I still have to work for a living and have discovered that the gold here is shallow and plentiful...but when I get tired of it I'll go play in the dirt. 

strick 

[Norvic]

46 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

What I did not like was the fact that you have to take a perfectly good coil, and use it to create an adapter. The process is not simple, and if done incorrectly can fry a GPZ 7000.

This where I stand on X coil, Steve you have made a claim here I believe, no sorry to disagree, I know is incorrect I say know because I`ve made 2 and thus have experienced the DIY part of making the cable. If you are competent with a soldering iron and capable of following the instructions that came with your X coil it is a simple process that simply requires care and understanding of instructions. If you are not competent with a soldering iron and not capable of following DIY instructions don`t do it, tis simple as that. The patch cable to me was a simple DIY operation, but I love and have a passion for DIY 

To blame someone else because they are capable of such and thus portray it as being such when you prove to be not capable is your personal option. I applaud you for having a go but I don`t applaud you for blaming anyone but yourself, in particular I don`t applaud people who have not experienced the making of the cable saying any more in the X coil threads then it is not for them. The only people I believe who were ridiculed in this saga were the X coil enthusiasts of which I am one, plus the skullduggery and drama came from others not from X coil enthusiasts. 

My use and success with the X coils as productive gear that raise the Z another level was tempered by my experience since the late 70s to 98 as a hobbiest from 98 to now as this is what I do for life plus catch barras, camp out and enjoy my backyard. The X coils I have, have paid for themselves many times over as have most of my gold detectors and accessories since year dot. 

What the Z coil Saga on DP has taught me is I can not be bothered giving my views on products on DP again. This is my perspective go ahead folks and ridicule my perspective all you like, the weight in my pocket offsets such and I really think that is the nitty gritty of those who ridicule others success, thus I say to those of you who have not experienced the X coil in a positive manner, who have never used a X coil, don`t be envious of those who are positive about them.

[Steve Herschbach]

What the x coil saga taught me is this is my forum, for me, and my friends. There are competing narratives. My narrative is I had a great little place going here with the locals. Then war erupted on the Aussie forums. Various Aussies and Kiwis showed up here, and a couple decided they make the rules. The same Aussies and Kiwis that bicker and drag down the Aussie forums did it here also. Most of my locals went silent. As evidence I offer the posts by the banned parties on other forums since they left here. The drama continues, only the venue changes.

So, my perspective as forum owner is I’m the one that got crapped on. People came here, brought their BS with them, and took a dump in my living room. I’ve told you all, This Is My Home! Act like you are in my home. Ok, we had a fight. Some are right, some are wrong. But only one fact is indisputable. This is my forum, for me and my friends, people who have my back. Anyone not in that camp just leave. Please. Are you all just aholes here to annoy me, or what? Let’s just have a good old fashioned here is the door folks, don’t let it hit you in the butt moment. Everyone has been able to watch the saga, and if my post starting this thread is not something you generally agree with, anyone that is not my friend on this... just leave. I’d rather it just be klunker and I. Thanks. 

[Jeff McClendon]

 I cannot afford a GPZ 7000 and I wouldn't enjoy swinging it either at my age. Cutting off the connector on an expensive stock coil in order to make an unsanctioned aftermarket coil work that costs more than most of my detectors is just beyond my comprehension unless I am working an area that will easily and quickly pay for all of that equipment, modifications and possible equipment failures due to the modifications which will not be covered by a warranty.

As far as the QED, I have one. I paid for it. I did not pay much attention to what the now ex-dealer said before or after he became an ex-dealer.  The QED I have works quite well with smaller coils. Is it even close to a GPX 5000........NO. Is it better than a Whites TDI for me.....YES  so far. I don't have enough hours on it yet to compare it definitively to the SDC 2300 except to say that it is tons easier to swing and coil changes including DDs are easy.

If anyone wants to borrow it just let me know. 

As far as this forum is concerned, it is where I feel at home with people like Steve, Rob A, Bill S, Gerry, and many other detector lovers and prospecting friends here that I respect and trust. My day would not be the same without this forum.

[Chase Goldman]

1 hour ago, Norvic said:

What the Z coil Saga on DP has taught me is I can not be bothered giving my views on products on DP again.

SMH.  Way to prove Steve's point in spades.  Congrats.

[Norvic]

Jeff, agree with you totally on two counts. one. don`t make a patch cable if your not comfy or capable of doing so and two I`ve not used a QED so I cannot comment but I will not attack you because you do use a QED and speak positively of it.

Steve, of course it is your forum and of course you copped shit over X coil, but you weren`t the only one. I cannot be accused of shit fights on OZ forums as yours is almost the only forum I post on except for one that now seems to have been vacated by shit stirrers. But if my stating my perspective on your forum is not welcome please just be direct and say so, I`ll move on reluctantly because I`ve enjoyed my time here, sadly I`ll exit but with no drama. If my content is not welcome here say so, you know my content as I`ve been here awhile thus are informed.

Whoops Chase you got in before I`d submitted, exactly I understand Steve`s point.